Ep 13 - Kobol's Last Gleaming pt 2 - UK

[The Godfather]

Perhaps the Cylons never took the arrow because they never thought they needed to- with Helo the only Colonial moving about and he with no understanding of what the Arrow of Apollo meant, it was simply in a safe and unbothered location. Can we then presume that the Six at the museum was then the guardian for the Cylons of the Arrow?

-Shawn

[JoeTaboe]

The whole arrow thing is interesting. If the cylons merely wanted to find earth they could have taken the arrow to Kobol themselves. That is, unless they needed the humans to find Kobol and eventually earth (prophecy or some such).

Leaving the arrow out where someone who went looking would find it (and making a raider available somehow to get there) makes more sense if the cylons are following something that they consider to be a prophecy. Maybe the cylons bet that humans wouldn’t be stupid enough to run for their lives without the arrow and then had to readjust their plan to allow for somebody to get it and get it off the planet. In fact, maybe that was going to be one of the uses for Helo after he had knocked up Boomer and helped deliver the baby. Maybe the cylon raider was a real fluke and not one of a number of plans the cylons had to get a raider into the hands of the colonials.

[The Godfather]

I know much of this demands fate but I just don't think there's any possible way they could have KNOWN with iron-clad certainty that Kara would obtain the Raider and learn to fly it. You can manipulate things to great lengths but there are just too many things there that could not have been planned i.e Kara's act of contrition is setting up herself to die to atone, her human ingenuity in marking the raider and thus not getting blown out of the sky...that part I just don't buy...

As for the Arrow of Apollo- it's certainly conceivable that the Cylons need the humans to lead the way hence the obvious manipulation of Roslyn(to which I still say Elosha is a very large part) but I think things have just falled in place in some ways for them as opposed to everything from A-Z having been set up..

Just my feeling but then again, I openly deny the concept of complete pre-determination and lack of free will. I think the base of all humanity is the concept of free will and I believe that has to be the line between man and cylon.

-Shawn

[clivex]

pudge said:

Were those boomers really naked before watershed?

The watershed is 8pm on Sky... besides, you can't actually see anything but their silhouettes (spelling?).

[clivex]

The said:

I just have to ask this- how the hell did only 50,000 members of the human race survive and yet a great member of the bloody press core as well? I mean I get how but dang..how annoying.

-Shawn

They were covering the Galactica decommissioning ceremony so there were a ship-load of them on Colonial One when the attack happened.

Space 'em, along with Boxey.

[clivex]

5150Joker said:

I think they are just designed to seem organic but are completely artificial. If you recall Baltar mentioned that their hair (AFAIK thats what he was testing) is synthetic and can be distinguished through testing.

Didn't Baltar make up the synthetic hair analysis results to 'prove' that Dolan was a Cylon? As I recall, he picked Dolan at random as the Cylon to explain away his knowledge of the Cylon device in the CIC.

And I'm pretty damn sure you don't need a nuke to analyse the elements from a burnt hair sample. At school (too many years ago) we used a device called a gas chromatograph to analyse the make-up of elements after they had been heated with a non-nuclear Bunsen burner.

Of course, if Six is really in his mind as an implant then perhaps she passed on the fact that Dolan was a Cylon to Baltar without him realising she had done so, sub-conscious like. I'm assuming Six knows all of the other models of humaniform Cylons.

Or it was just a fantasically lucky guess that out of the hundreds (or thousands?) of crew members and civilians on Galactica he actually picked a genuine Cylon?

Or was it 'the hand of God?'

[ReverendJ]

More theories to throw out there about why I think Adama was a cylon

1) Starbuck was told by a Cylon that they would find Kobol and lo and behold they do, who do you think was plotting the jumps?

2) When Kobol was first discovered there were no cylons then the next time the jump back there it's crawling with them, someone had to have told them that they reached Kobol.

3) Six knew exactly when Starbuck would be going back for the arrow, and was waiting.

Now the question is why did the Cylons lead the humans to Kobol? My guess there is something there only the humans can get, otherwise the Cylons would have already taken the arrow and got whatever it is. Again just theories, we'll have to wait for series 2 (which I'm hopeful for ;D )

[The Godfather]

My feeling is that if Adama is a Cylon, the show is already a lost cause. Your lead character must be a stalwart hero...not perfect but still a white hat...

And we've been told there is 12 models...never been said that they could body clone...

-Shawn

[Daliden]

ReverendJ said:

More theories to throw out there about why I think Adama was a cylon

1) Starbuck was told by a Cylon that they would find Kobol and lo and behold they do, who do you think was plotting the jumps?

Gaeta, actually . . . he plotted Boomer's and Crashdown's jump to Kobol.

[MHall]

However, Six beat the crap out of Starbuck to prevent her from taking the arrow when the Cylons could have just took the arrow the day after the attack. Could that mean that both the Colonials and the Cylons where not sure that Kobol even existed and they found it around the same time. Therefore, perhaps Boomer was trying to kill Adama as the Cylons were forced to act before they were ready.

My theory is that the Cylons wanted Starbuck to retrieve the arrow in order to follow the prophecy, but a rogue Six wanted to kill her for stealing Baltar's heart. This Six is not one of the Sixes we've seen before, but she is perhaps emotionally linked to Baltar's internal Six , just as Caprica Boomer appears emotionally linked to Galactica Boomer. So, yes, I regard the attack as evidence that Baltar's internal Six is real and "on the 'net." Six wasn't waiting there for days... thanks to the transponder and reports from Galactica, she knew exactly when Starbuck arrived at Caprica.

(Edit: Oh yes, we may have seen this instance of Six before, when she beat up Boomer to make her believable to Helo.)

As an aside, this Six was not only a different instance of Six, but also a different version of Six. She was a combat version, wearing black. Red = "diplomat". White = scientist? (See Cylon Military Hiearchy thread in Cylon forum.)

This isn't the first time a Cylon has gone against orders or the general Cylon Plan. But it may be only the second time. Caprica Boomer ran off with Helo against orders, but other events, like the destruction of the basestar, may have actually been part of the Plan.

As a backup plan for the arrow, the Cylons were also trying to convince Helo to get the arrow, via Boomer. Caprica Boomer is no doubt still doing her Cylon duty, despite the weakness of her human side, just as Galactica Boomer looked like she was on the side of the humans, and then blam-blam.

Any one plan of the Cylons may have a low probability of success (e.g., the probability was minute that Kara would fix the raider, fly it in time, and not get blown up.) It's just that the Cylons have backup plans within backup plans.

[erika]

The said:

My feeling is that if Adama is a Cylon, the show is already a lost cause. Your lead character must be a stalwart hero...not perfect but still a white hat...

And we've been told there is 12 models...never been said that they could body clone...

-Shawn

But Adama has a long back story stretching back years. Wouldn't it make Apollo a Cylon too? My money is on .. ok don't know his name the guy who shook Boomer's hand and said well done. When Adama decided to go get the President he shook his head as if to say no this isn't the plan you need to be stopped.

Erika

[Basestar]

If we presume that in S2 we must learn of another Cylon, and that for dramatic effect, it is a character we know already, then I don't think it can be Adama. It could be Gaeta. It could be Duella. It could be Billy. It could be...

We are now victims of the same suspicions that the crew of the Big-G must be - Is he? Is she? Or worse.... Am I?

[MHall]

If Gaeta is neither a Cylon nor a Cylon collaborator, I'll be disappointed with the writers, unless the writers come up with something really cool. Like maybe Lt. Gaeta and Boomer are secret agents of Zarek's organization, and it was an assassination attempt but not on the behalf of the Cylons. So Boomer would be a Cylon agent underneath a Zarek agent, while Gaeta would be a Zarek agent but human. Come to think of it, would we expect the Cylons to be any less sneaky than this? Anyway, Lt. Gaeta better be a Cylon, or the writers better come up with some scripts that really blow our minds.

From Colonial Day, we also "know" there is some other power hungry assassination-capable organization out there. Do we have any clue about what this organization is or who is in it?

Was Boomer trying to kill Adama? That is an important piece of information, and I just don't know. Was Boomer's Cylon half or human half the one who pulled the trigger? It's another critical piece of unknown information.

Would Cylon Boomer have any reason to shoot to wound Commander Adama, if he is a Cylon? A few episodes ago, I would have said yes, since Adama was under suspicion then, but now he isn't attracting much suspicion.

[futureworldruler]

Quoting Basestar:
"We are now victims of the same suspicions that the crew of the Big-G must be - Is he? Is she? Or worse.... Am I?"

Well I know I am. Death to the humans!

[freddyjust]

The said:

If my recall is correct, in the UK a season is actually called a series while Americans call a season well.. a season..

-Shawn

I sure hope there will be a second season. I loved the show. I'm new here. I've seen every episode on Sky One.
During the end credits of the episode 12, a female voice said : "join us next monday for the series finale of Battlestar Galactica". Not "season finale". Indeed i'm not english. Someone in this section said that in UK, they use the word "series" instead of "season". I sure hope that guy is right. Are we sure the show's been renewed ?
Episode 13, without revealing anything to those who haven't seen yet, could in itself be seen as an ending of the show. A strange one I'll admit, but indeed we could see it as a powerfull cliffhanger or as an early conclusion of a show that's been cancelled.
As you all know, episode 13 is the second part of a two-parter at the end of season one, instead of having part 1 at the end of the first season, and part 2 as the beginning of season two, being also the previous season cliffhanger continuation/conclusion.
So I guess my first question is : do we know for a fact there will be a season two in september-october 2005 ?