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Post by The Godfather on Jan 26, 2005 13:54:56 GMT -5
I wonder how easy it is to repair Cylon programming. Over and over again we here comments about how they don't have feelings but rather software- my guess is that this is not true and the base programming is still strong but that it's more like mind control as opposed to actual software.
Oh and on the possible Gaeta is a spy thing...in ep 7 when he's investigating the picture of Baltar being the traitor- it's Gaeta who later clears him...
-Shawn
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Post by Ziptie on Jan 26, 2005 14:16:21 GMT -5
I wonder how easy it is to repair Cylon programming. Over and over again we here comments about how they don't have feelings but rather software- Tend to think that comments like that are more used as insults than statements of fact/supposition. Suppose it all depends on the nature of the Cylons' brains/decision centres, or whatever they've got, doesn't it? A lot of the evidence we've seen to date suggests that the human-Cylons are organic in every way, from the data Baltar gathered from Leoben's corpse in the mini, to Caprica Boomer's pregnancy by a human and everything in between. It thus follows that "programming" the human-Cylons may indeed be a type of mind control/brainwashing, rather than the sort of procedure you'd carry out on an electronic device. It probably also explains why there appears to be individuality within the Cylon models, and also why the programming method appears to be imperfect at times. Variety of potential explanations for that. The impression I had was more that Gaeta admired Baltar, or felt like he was sticking up for his buddy than anything else. What you suggest is certainly possible though. The problem at the moment, as Adama said at the beginning of the series, is that if Cylons look like us, any of us could be a Cylon. Still plenty of room for sleepers and saboteurs, until we've met all the models of course... |
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Post by MHall on Jan 26, 2005 14:27:49 GMT -5
Negative. Doral said:
We have to get out of this storm. The radiation affects our silica relays.
I tend to regard "cylonohumans" as humans in every way except the addition of a silica "control collar" (a la Farscape's organic ship Moya) imbedded in their brains. The silica relays must be spread out through their brains, though, or a simple x-ray could be used as a Cylon detector. Plus to really control a person, the relays would have to be throughout the brain.
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Post by The Godfather on Jan 26, 2005 14:44:13 GMT -5
Wonder if we're to have a scenerio then where they try to strip the relays out- could be a very crude and wrong lobotomy...
The only reason I even bring up the 7/Gaeta thing is the strange under the camera handshake with Boomer right before she shoots Adama...on the other side of that, he's the one that's been plotting their FTL jumps right?
Hmm.
-Shawn
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Post by mjm800 on Jan 26, 2005 14:52:45 GMT -5
Wonder if we're to have a scenerio then where they try to strip the relays out- could be a very crude and wrong lobotomy... The only reason I even bring up the 7/Gaeta thing is the strange under the camera handshake with Boomer right before she shoots Adama...on the other side of that, he's the one that's been plotting their FTL jumps right? Hmm. -Shawn The evidence is mounting...  I was also thinking that the Cylons jammed the Raptor's launch system so Boomer would have to dock. There is no way the Cylons did not detect that nuke, it was all part of their plan. |
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Post by Ziptie on Jan 26, 2005 14:53:52 GMT -5
Negative. Doral said: We have to get out of this storm. The radiation affects our silica relays.I tend to regard "cylonohumans" as humans in every way except the addition of a silica "control collar" (a la Farscape's organic ship Moya) imbedded in their brains. The silica relays must be spread out through their brains, though, or a simple x-ray could be used as a Cylon detector. Plus to really control a person, the relays would have to be throughout the brain. Good point about the Doral comment, forgot about that. I suppose we may find that RDM has been refining and expanding the background of the Cylons as the mini developed into the series and the series has developed. We've already seen Leoben 1's body cremated in the mini and then brought back in the series, so there isn't total consistency. Having said that, your "control collar" theory sounds interesting, let's take that and run with it: If the human-Cylons are basically organic humans with some sort of control and communication device, are they "born" with it, or do they have it implanted/fitted (a la the cap in John Christopher's Tripods)? |
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Post by mjm800 on Jan 26, 2005 15:01:50 GMT -5
We've already seen Leoben 1's body cremated in the mini and then brought back in the series, so there isn't total consistency. I went back to watch the mini and Baltar said that when the sample you gave me was cremated it released certain chemical compounds proving the sample to be synthetic. (or something like that) In addition, Baltar had no idea that the Cylons look human only that the sample he had was synthetic, therefore, most likely Baltar had not seen the body as he was only given a small tissue sample and it is conceivable that hey kept Leoben's body for further study. |
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Post by WilliamHuskerAdama on Jan 26, 2005 15:15:47 GMT -5
I can see two reasons why boomer shot adama depending on whether EJO wants to come back. 1/ She is an enemy cylon and took him out as a threat. Adama live she is blown out of the airlock and Caprica boomer arrives up the duff. 2/ She is a friendly cylon and is aware that he is a cylon and shot him to help the humans. He could have arranged for the nuke to be stuck? He dies, a blood test reveals she is telling the truth about him. Also how many people will they be able to fit in the cylon raider, I got the impression space was tight. I would say that I like no.1 better because it's more cooler but hey that's just me , but also we got to remember that we are only guessing what's going to happen next , because we really can't be sure what's really going to happen in season 2 because KLGleaming pt.2 was a left open Cliffhanger . WHA |
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Post by 5150Joker on Jan 26, 2005 15:32:43 GMT -5
A lot of the evidence we've seen to date suggests that the human-Cylons are organic in every way, from the data Baltar gathered from Leoben's corpse in the mini, to Caprica Boomer's pregnancy by a human and everything in between. It thus follows that "programming" the human-Cylons may indeed be a type of mind control/brainwashing, rather than the sort of procedure you'd carry out on an electronic device. I think they are just designed to seem organic but are completely artificial. If you recall Baltar mentioned that their hair (AFAIK thats what he was testing) is synthetic and can be distinguished through testing. Furthermore when Caprica Boomer and Helo were running in the sewers, she did not exhibit any signs of fatigue-- the same is true for her counterpart back on Galactica during "33". This strongly supports the premise that they are indeed machines just built to seem human, sort of like the Terminator. Caprica Boomer's ability to become pregnant may be because her designer(s) built in some sort of artificial insemination chamber where her vaginal track/uterus is supposed to be to simulate what happens to a real woman. I also don't believe Cylons have any real emotions, they are algorithm approximations at best. The original Cylons that rose up againt humanity were probably programmed to do so by a rogue programmer that had a grudge against humanity and all the Cylons since then are following that core directive. It would explain the misguided religious fanaticism these machines possess. |
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Post by The Godfather on Jan 26, 2005 15:41:39 GMT -5
But how does that explain the obvious bouts of free will that both Boomers have exhibited? Free will isn't a mathematical algorithm...and I'm not sure I believe all emotional can be manipulated as such. Jealousy I can buy but G-Boomer allowing the Chief to end it- I dunno...
-Shawn
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Post by CylonAgent on Jan 26, 2005 16:21:27 GMT -5
I have gone one better, I have "Reprogrammed" my missus. She no longer watches the soaps, but she does like BSG. (But she does hate most SciFi) |
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Post by CylonAgent on Jan 26, 2005 16:38:54 GMT -5
Great comments guys!! spoiler Superb episode even after having seen the gateworld pics. Adama is definitely dead, no way could he survive two point blank bullets in the gut. If he is to return next season then Leoben's admission that Adama is a cylon must be true. The Carprica storyline was amazing, that was a big turnaround for Helo and as for the bitch fight!!!! Were those boomers really naked before watershed? Please don't delete my comment spoiler Adama may not be dead, it is quite possible to survive 2 bullets in the gut. It all depends if any major organs have been hit. The blood leaking from him was red not black, so at least his liver did not cop one. If he survives, he will be bed-ridden for weeks if not months. Remember, he is on a capital class warship, that means there will be the expertise to immediately treat gun-shot trauma. If they can keep him alive until he gets to sick-bay. |
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Post by CylonAgent on Jan 26, 2005 16:43:36 GMT -5
Tend to think that comments like that are more used as insults than statements of fact/supposition. Suppose it all depends on the nature of the Cylons' brains/decision centres, or whatever they've got, doesn't it? A lot of the evidence we've seen to date suggests that the human-Cylons are organic in every way, from the data Baltar gathered from Leoben's corpse in the mini, to Caprica Boomer's pregnancy by a human and everything in between. It thus follows that "programming" the human-Cylons may indeed be a type of mind control/brainwashing, rather than the sort of procedure you'd carry out on an electronic device. It probably also explains why there appears to be individuality within the Cylon models, and also why the programming method appears to be imperfect at times. Variety of potential explanations for that. The impression I had was more that Gaeta admired Baltar, or felt like he was sticking up for his buddy than anything else. What you suggest is certainly possible though. The problem at the moment, as Adama said at the beginning of the series, is that if Cylons look like us, any of us could be a Cylon. Still plenty of room for sleepers and saboteurs, until we've met all the models of course... Yes there certainly is! Don't you find it interesting that the Nuke launch mechanism jammed on the Raptor? Thus forcing Boomer to enter the basestar. |
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Post by The Godfather on Jan 26, 2005 17:05:15 GMT -5
So now we're back to someone on the deck crew- someone should really put together a list of possibilities and suspects-
At this point the only three I'd safely and completely rule out are: Commander Adama, Apollo and Starbuck. I just plain don't think any of them would be allowed to occur.
I think we can also rule out Tyrol.
At the top of my suspicious list are Gaeta and Elosha. I don't know that I think Elosha is actually a Cylon but it stands to reason with a religion as strong as theirs, they'd need a priestess of sorts...and this woman sure seems to be driving Roslyn's delusions of grandeur...
-Shawn
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Post by darkolaban on Jan 26, 2005 17:11:55 GMT -5
A great episode. Lt. Gaeta is my choice for a Cylon See pic of Gaeta www.spacecast.com/BSG/bios.aspAnyone else think the same? Ep13 just solidified my suspicions ...really solidified it. The other thing we have to consider is , is there a ruling elite councle on the ships....the wealthy elite that is, who crave power and control? Is Ty's wife part of them? |
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