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Post by ashoka1 on Jan 25, 2005 14:47:28 GMT -5
AGGGHHH!!!! HHOOLLYYY SSHHIIT!!!!
FRACKING AMAZING EPISODE!!!
10 out of 10
5 STARS
A+
AHHGGGHH!!!! HHOLLY FFRACKING SHIITT!!!!!
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Post by Hellscaretaker on Jan 25, 2005 15:03:11 GMT -5
 when the credits started rolling I was hoping for the voice over to say and the series returns...but nothing.. NOOOOOOOOOOO you cant leave it like that. If there do turn around and say...thats it no more their be the same kind of uproar when news got out of the mini-series and starbuck being a female instead of a male.
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Post by MHall on Jan 25, 2005 15:03:12 GMT -5
I decided to time the Starbuck-shoots-Boomer scene.
Starbuck becomes aware of a figure standing above the pit and slowly looks up to see Boomer. Helo turns his head to see what Starbuck is looking at, then he turns back unconcerned and says, "Hey, I..." It takes Starbuck only about a second to glance down to look for Helo's gun, but it had been 5 seconds since Starbuck had looked directly at Boomer. It is another 4 seconds before Starbuck fires, because she is having to struggle against Helo.
So Starbuck's timing went something like this...
tick - Recognizes Boomer and realizes she is not Galactica Boomer.
tick - Concludes Boomer is a Cylon.
tick - Decides to kill her.
tick - Realizes Helo has the only gun. Helo says, "Hey, I..."
tick - Concludes Helo doesn't know, plans to snatch Helo's gun from him.
tick - Looks for the gun.
tick - Grabs the gun.
tick - Struggles with Helo.
tick - Yells, "She's a Cylon!" and fires.
Then there is the question of why Starbuck screams. Helo says, "No no, you can't, you can't. She's pregnant." He has Starbuck's weapon hand pinned against the wall, and she screams while trying to summon the strength to struggle against him, but she cannot break free. The weapon falls to the floor, and she sinks to the floor and cries.
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Post by Hellscaretaker on Jan 25, 2005 15:05:13 GMT -5
I decided to time the Starbuck-shoots-Boomer scene. Starbuck becomes aware of a figure standing above the pit and slowly looks up to see Boomer. Helo turns his head to see what Starbuck is looking at, then he turns back unconcerned and says, "Hey, I..." It takes Starbuck only about a second to glance down to look for Helo's gun, but it had been 5 seconds since Starbuck had looked directly at Boomer. It is another 4 seconds before Starbuck fires, because she is having to struggle against Helo. So Starbuck's timing went something like this... tick - Recognizes Boomer and realizes she is not Galactica Boomer. tick - Concludes Boomer is a Cylon. tick - Decides to kill her. tick - Realizes Helo has the only gun. Helo says, "Hey, I..." tick - Concludes Helo doesn't know, plans to snatch Helo's gun from him. tick - Looks for the gun. tick - Grabs the gun. tick - Struggles with Helo. tick - Yells, "She's a Cylon!" and fires. Then there is the question of why Starbuck screams. Helo says, "No no, you can't, you can't. She's pregnant." He has Starbuck's weapon hand pinned against the wall, and she screams while trying to summon the strength to struggle against him, but she cannot break free. The weapon falls to the floor, and she sinks to the floor and cries. Come to think of it I did wonder why she screamed.....maybe the pain she was in? After all number 6 really laid into her.... |
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Post by The Godfather on Jan 25, 2005 16:04:37 GMT -5
Maybe the extreme emotional upheaval of the last 24 hours or so. She goes from the Colonial Day ball to sleeping with Baltar while dreaming of Lee, to being torn down by a guy who is not only her CAG but her closest friend and maybe more to feeling betrayed by her father figure to going AWOL to getting her ass kicked by Six to seeing that Helo is still alive to realizing her friend Boomer is a cylon and then that she's pregnant.
And aside and apart from the fact that the above was one hellacious run-on sentence, it's been an emotionally exhaustive 24-48 hours...I think most people would crumble under that initially.
It's what they do after they crumble that matters. And that will have to wait until next season but I have little doubt that Starbuck- screwup though she believes she is- will stand tall.
-Shawn
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Post by Ziptie on Jan 25, 2005 16:09:27 GMT -5
Just re-watched the episode, and Part I. Now totally convinced it is the Tomb, not the Opera House. Six leads Batlar to. Really? It looks a damn sight more like an opera house than a tomb, which isn't remotely surprising bearing in mind it was shot in an opera house, the absolutely fab Orpheum Theatre in Vancouver. Well, they would be if you're referring to Roslin's vision, which showed the city as it originally existed. The ruins are 2000 years old. Even if you're referring to the picture of the ruin that Adama and co saw, it's supposed to be a very high altitude aerial photo. You obviously wouldn't expect to see as much from the ground, where the perspective is completely different and the camera has a much narrower field of view. In reality it's a piece of fake artwork, so it ain't going to be an exact match for the set as built anyway. It's a given that the entrances to the two buildings would look similar as they were part of the same city and produced during the same architectural period, but I'll put money on Baltar and Six being in the opera house, and I'll also put money on this being significant in some way. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have heard Roslin's line about the opera house being next to the Forum in part 1, and they wouldn't have shot the Six/Baltar scene in an opera house! Lol, think you might be in danger of making Baltar's hallucinations a little *too* weirded out there! Why shoot the scene in an opera house (and tell the viewers it's there) if you actually want the scene to be in a tomb? Why not just shoot somewhere that looks like a tomb?  |
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Post by Ziptie on Jan 25, 2005 16:19:40 GMT -5
Events in this, and the last couple of episodes have got me thinking.
Baltar's Six may be a figment of his imagination, but may also be a result of a Cylon implant. If the latter is correct, this implies they have the ability to cause vivid hallucinations, make the victim see and interact with things that aren't really there, and generally influence the human mind.
Roslin has spent a large part of the last few episodes seeing things that aren't really there and suffering hallucinations which are increasingly controlling her actions. She assumes that all this is as a result of her use of Kamala extract.
The similarity between her "hallucinations" and subsequent events makes me wonder whether these visions are actually the result of the same sort of implant Baltar's been hit with.
If this is true, Roslin effectively is/has been under Cylon control, even though she doesn't know it, and thus her actions, and a stack of what's happened as a result, are actually all part of the big Cylon plan. Discuss...
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Post by Blade Runner on Jan 25, 2005 16:29:19 GMT -5
Is #6 ...god?
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Post by Ziptie on Jan 25, 2005 16:36:25 GMT -5
Don't think Six thinks she's God. Wouldn't be so keen to get closer to him if she did.
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Post by Ziptie on Jan 25, 2005 16:39:16 GMT -5
Come to think of it I did wonder why she screamed.....maybe the pain she was in? After all number 6 really laid into her.... Could be the pain, could be the realisation that Boomer is a Cylon. Could be the realisation that Boomer is a Cylon and that a copy is currently on the Galactica and in a position to do very bad things. Could just be the fact that she's had a pretty tough couple of days. Could say something about PMT, but suppose I'd better not! |
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Post by Blade Runner on Jan 25, 2005 16:42:15 GMT -5
Could say something about PMT, but suppose I'd better not! she preggers , so no PMT  |
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Post by Ziptie on Jan 25, 2005 16:46:41 GMT -5
PMT comment was in reference to Starbuck screaming. Boomer has bun in oven, Starbuck not. |
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Post by Ziptie on Jan 25, 2005 16:47:51 GMT -5
Hey, less of the small talk, say something about my implant theory!  |
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Post by The Godfather on Jan 25, 2005 17:17:19 GMT -5
Watching Starbuck's fight with Six again- she's pretty messed up. No way she's piloting anything home- that would have to be somehow with the help of Helo. She has at least a few broken ribs from the fall alone and couldn't even stand on her own strength...
-Shawn
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Post by MHall on Jan 25, 2005 17:20:40 GMT -5
Yes, Roslin could be implanted with a Cylon chip. Or she could be a Cylon. Or should could be hallucinating from kamala extract. I see no strong evidence for any one possibility. Roslin is convinced by the similarity of her visions and the legends, and you argue this similarity suggests Cylon meddling, but it could be that she's getting a bit carried away. If Roslin is implanted with a Cylon chip, then how did that happen? The doctor becomes the prime suspect for implanting the chip and thus the doctor would likely be a Cylon. Towards you are hobbling a hundred chain-smoking gruff-voiced old guys dressed like the Boomers in the basestar... now that would be scary! We should keep watching those who get treated by the doctor, to see if they all start obeying the Cylons' wishes. Starbuck? Yeah, maybe, but if Starbuck is obeying the wishes of the Cylons, then why the fight to the death with Six on Caprica? Actually, that may have just been Six' personal grudge against Starbuck for stealing Baltar's love. Hmmm. We've seen evidence of emotional connections between instances of the same model, even over vast distances. On Earth, kamala extract is used to rid the body of parasitic intenstinal worms. Just FYI. |
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