Ep 8 - Flesh And Bone - US

[CylonGod]

Ouiser said:

Well, my foot was just attacked by a ferret so I completely lost my train of thought. Lee and/or Zak as cylons could really be interesting, though.

Action stations! Action stations! Adama "Brace for contact my friend." Tigh "I haven't heard that in a while"

Sounds serious!

[MHall]

To almost answer my own question about whether Zak was the fraternal twin of Lee, apparently Zak was the younger brother in the original series, and gateworld.net says that Zak was the younger brother in the new series. I'm still going with Zak = Artemis, since Starbuck is a better fit for Athena or Ares, plus Starbuck praying to Artemis (and Aphrodite) means she was praying to Zak (and Six or...)

Regarding Six = Aphrodite, I've seen somebody question that before, preferring a different mapping. To whom? Hera?

Google: jealous greek god

Ding!

Hera is known for being the wife of Zeus (her brother), The Goddess of Marriage and the Queen of Gods. She’s also the younger daughter of Rhea and Cronus. Her bird is the peacock and she is known to be horribly jealous. She appeared to be very jealous of Hercules(son of Zeus.)

Aphrodite doesn't seem to be so jealous, but is jealous of Artemis.

Vague spoiler for episodes 11-13 (highlight to reveal)...

SPOILER: Click to show

You'll see Six is a modern woman, as she explains to Baltar that he can fool around a little, but she insists his heart is hers (or else.) However, Six has never really liked Baltar's interest in Starbuck, nor Boomer, and she continues to be a bit sensitive about that.

[MHall]

So, if Starbuck is Artemis, then Six fits to Aphrodite, but if not, then Six fits better to Hera. Oh my, sweet, innocent, nympho Sharon is Aphrodite, isn't she? For all Six's talk of wanting to be loved by Baltar, it's the Sharon model who got both Tyrol and Helo to fall in love with her! Sharon shows no jealousy towards Starbuck, so Starbuck is not Artemis. This means Zak is Artemis, and Sharon will be jealous of Zak when they are finally seen to meet.

So, Starbuck is Athena, Ares, or... new contender... Hercules!

Hercules: Son of Zeus. Strong. Hera hates his guts. He is not one of the 12 Greek Pantheon gods. (He's actually mortal until the circumstances of his death.) So, if Starbuck is Hercules, then she is mortal and thus not Cylon, for now.

Athena: Daughter of Zeus. Fierce, brave in battle, but only fights in wars against outside aggressors. She is the goddess of justice, and invented the bridle, which permitted man to tame horses and Cylon raiders. Has goat-skin shield.

Ares: Son of Zeus and Hera and despised by both. God of war, murder, and cowardess. Has affair with Aphrodite (Sharon?! whoo hoo!)

Well, I'm glad that's finally all clear.

[Silentwolfdog]

Can anyone tell me what god is Artemis? I know who other goddess is, she also go by Venus. But I dont know Artemis?

Also, one thing that was mentioned above, is Starbuck as inter. and Leobon as prisoner was one time reversed, I think he meant for original BSG where male starbuck was a prisoner and was interviewed by a cylon? I never saw original BSG but had read one of fan's comment about that original BSG ep. Dunno.

I never thought that Six is like Venus/or Hera (Hera is beautiful but jealous goddess). Boomer models are lover of humans, that must make her like Athena becuz she is warrior and also goddess of wisdom. I know that Athena sometimes protect humans right? Unlike Zeus and Hera who never cared for humans but themselves. I dont know if humans can fit in the groups as gods and goddess, but cylons make sense. Leobon is sneaky and must be also sneaky god, I forgot which god is sneaky. Maybe Hades? After all, he tricked daughter of one goddess into eat an apple and could keep the daughter for six month ie 6 months of winter.

[kingfish]

Zack on os was played by rocker Rick Springfield. The had a biography about him on A & E and showed his death scene in Saga.

[caseOrange]

Artemis - Goddess of the moon, hunting and chastity

STARBUCK: You don't say, "Be careful out there"! You say, "Good hunting"!

[Ouiser]

CylonGod said:

Action stations! Action stations! Adama "Brace for contact my friend." Tigh "I haven't heard that in a while"

Sounds serious!

It is!! In fact, I'm beginning to suspect my ferret is a cylon. There has been some suspicious activity going on between her and the raisins lately. I'm just saying...

I love this whole discussion on the 12 cylon models and the 12 Gods. I like the Starbuck as Hercules theory. Mostly because I can't bear the thought of Kara being a cylon.

[mjm800]

Does anyone remember all the posts (long before this aired) on the Sci-Fi board about what a stupid concept robot torture was? How it would not work and can only come off as silly.

Funny, I do not see that argument anywhere reflecting that torturing a machine cannot be believable or evoke an emotional response. Geee, no one is comparing it to the Star Wars robot torture. Maybe people will learn to not from an opinion on something that they have not even seen, I'm pushing it aren't I.

[Dangermouse]

I both like this episode because I find the discussions between Kara and Leoben fascinating) and find it off-putting because after seeing more and more what kind of society the Colonials had: banning books, discriminating against planets, labor camps, and now training even pilots in "interrogation techniques" in peacetime and clearly against humans (since they thought Cylons were non-tortureable toasters, I am sure), I am beginning to root for the Cylons just a bit.

And I like that this makes the show have shades of grey.

I was bothered by the fact that Starbuck had no problem torturing someone (I would have found it more excusable if she was angry), but the end did redeem her for me somewhat.

And my lack of like for Pres. continues.

[mjm800]

Dangermouse said:

I was bothered by the fact that Starbuck had no problem torturing someone (I would have found it more excusable if she was angry), but the end did redeem her for me somewhat.

Don't you think that the destruction of the colonies and the death of billions of people was enough to make her angry? I bet see could not wait to get her hands on a Cylon!

[Dangermouse]

Yes, that is what ultimately sold me on the idea.

But the problem was she didn't seem angry about it. I don't think it was shown as well as it could have been.


Of course the whole "you are not human ergo you are not a person" does not make sense to me, anyway.

I don't like people who are not boiling mad at the moment, torturing someone. If you are really pissed, it's somewhat an excuse, but she was not.

F&B is my least fave ep of the season. Parodoxically, I liked it much less on rewatch.

Ahhh well...considering this had 12 other really great eps, I am not going to complain...much

[mjm800]

Dangermouse said:

I don't like people who are not boiling mad at the moment, torturing someone. If you are really pissed, it's somewhat an excuse, but she was not.

I much prefer the cold calculating sadistic professional, but that's just me.

I thought she did fine, being a first time torturer and all. ;D

[Dangermouse]

mjm800 said:

I thought she did fine, being a first time torturer and all. ;D

But how do we know it's her first time? Maybe she used to do it all the time, prior to the mini and they used to call her "Torquemada Starbuck"

[mjm800]

Dangermouse said:

But how do we know it's her first time? Maybe she used to do it all the time, prior to the mini and they used to call her "Torquemada Starbuck"

We do not, but then that would explain why she was not mad just another day on the job.

[antelope]

I am surprised I haven't seen reference to Commander Adama in the Greek pantheon since he is directly referenced as "Zeus" by Zarek in Bastille Day.

If he isn't a human-cylon he is still in my mind more than just a military commander.