Ep 12 - Kobol's Last Gleaming pt 1

[ladyrheena]

I would define a boggle as when so many mental images come careening into my head that they all end up as multicoloured, uninterpretable mush.

Anyone else care to elaborate?

[Ziptie]

A-ha, your elaboration is appreciated. Thanku.

[1987SilverOak]

Best Ep Yet! Can't wait till nexy week for partII.

[metroid]

I'd like to see Lt. Gaeta bed down with Starbuck.

[Mustex]

This episode was so cool. Within 10 minutes I said to myself "five stars, flat out." I was a bit worried about the "arrow of Apollo." "The ancient artifact that's a working alien device" cliche has been done to death, but I found it didn't matter. I don't even care if it truly points the way to Earth. What's important is the revelation, the drama, the message (think for yourself, conveyed by the fact that Moore doesn't try to convince you of Adama OR Roslin's opinion, but let's you decide what YOU believe).

I was in awe all the way through. I feel that this one episode alone is enough to cement me through season 3 at least.

BTW, over at CF noone's voted below a 9 out of 10, but here we have one 1 out of 5. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE TNS FANS! WE MUST FIND THE HERETIC AND DESTROY IT (I do not use "it" because I don't know if it's male or female, it has lost it's status as a human in my eyes, and hence no longer has gender)!

[Roadrunner]

Awesome ep.
Great story and wonderfully screwed-up characters. Once again, RDM and crew keep the characters at center stage. Bravo.

Randome musings to follow, sorry if it seems I'm rambling.

**The Boxing Match - what the heck were these two thinking? "Hey Son, let's go smack each other around." "Okay, Dad. Sounds like fun." Look, I LOVED the scene, but how in Hades could they have expected this little excercise NOT to turn out badly? Could Adama possibly be any more clueless about who his son is? [Yo Dad! You should be very very grateful that Vesuvius is still dormant and NOT blowing his top on you!] Could this father/son duo be any more disfunctional? (Yeah I guess they can, cause here comes KLG-Part2) I said a long time ago, before season 1 even started filming that I did NOT want Adama and Apollo totally reconciling any time soon, because I wanted to see more of EJO and JB going toe-to-toe. Hehe - didn't think I'd see it "literally." Cool stuff.

**Kara and Baltar - talk about dysfunctional. I really don't think Baltar is in love with Kara. He's just not used to being used and having his ego squashed. Just as he's putting on the big moves, heading for the big finish... she's dreaming about somebody else! In her mind, he's not even in the room. Ouch! No big mystery why he went for her -- she's female. But, why was she with him? Is she really that easy? Or that self-destructive? I hope this all leads to some good facing off between Lee and Baltar. James Callis and Jamie Bamber haven't had much of a chance to work together yet, but I suspect they could play off each other very nicely. I can see Baltar trying to "retaliate" against Lee in some way for the humiliation and try to prove that he's the better man and salve his bruised ego.

**Kara - she's true to form, if nothing else. As easily manipulated as Silly Putty. Do you think that maybe... just maybe... Adama will finally open his eyes and figure out that Kara does NOT walk on water? Will he do the math and realize that in spite of being a great pilot, she really does screw up more often than not? And where does she get off with the attitude? She's pissed because he didn't tell her the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yo Kara -- what about that little getting-Zak-killed-and-lying-about-it-for-2-years thing?

**Galactica-Boomer - Man was that creepy, seeing Baltar talking Sharon into suicide? I guess he does know, however, that she won't really die, but with her Galactica-body dead, nobody will find out about his false-negative test result, will they? Hmm. That little lie could be a problem for him, couldn't it? And is Boomer really that bad a shot? Or did her Cylon side prevent her from shooting straight until she's completed her mission. The master-at-arms should refuse to re-issue her a sidearm if she handles it that poorly.

**Caprica-Boomer and Helo - Would somebody give that poor boy a hug? I feel Soooooo sorry for him!! I don't feel sorry for Sharon. She knew (or at least believed!) that she wouldn't die even if he did shoot.

**Laura Roslin - true propeht? false prophet? or just looney? The visions are showing some credibility, so we'll have to see how this arrow thing plays out. It was pretty under-handed to go behind the Commander's back with regard to the use of the Raider -- and pretty calous to interfere with the rescue of her VP -- but if she's right... she could end up saving Adama's ass... and HIS credibility. Starbuck isn't the only who'll be pissed over his charade if word gets out.

** Apollo and Starbuck - these two definitely have "history' of some sort. RDM stated prior to the mini that they share some kind of "twisted" past relationship. Did they "do it" way back when, or not? I'm undecided. But Apollo is still irked by the memory of that major for some reason. And so is Starbuck for that matter. They have to elaborate on this next season.

** This ep's one MAJOR drawback - there's only one more ep left in the season! And then no more until July. BUMMER.

[metroid]

Roadrunner said:

Awesome ep.
Great story and wonderfully screwed-up characters. Once again, RDM and crew keep the characters at center stage. Bravo.

Randome musings to follow, sorry if it seems I'm rambling.

**The Boxing Match - what the heck were these two thinking? "Hey Son, let's go smack each other around." "Okay, Dad. Sounds like fun." Look, I LOVED the scene, but how in Hades could they have expected this little excercise NOT to turn out badly? Could Adama possibly be any more clueless about who his son is? [Yo Dad! You should be very very grateful that Vesuvius is still dormant and NOT blowing his top on you!] Could this father/son duo be any more disfunctional? (Yeah I guess they can, cause here comes KLG-Part2) I said a long time ago, before season 1 even started filming that I did NOT want Adama and Apollo totally reconciling any time soon, because I wanted to see more of EJO and JB going toe-to-toe. Hehe - didn't think I'd see it "literally." Cool stuff.

**Kara and Baltar - talk about dysfunctional. I really don't think Baltar is in love with Kara. He's just not used to being used and having his ego squashed. Just as he's putting on the big moves, heading for the big finish... she's dreaming about somebody else! In her mind, he's not even in the room. Ouch! No big mystery why he went for her -- she's female. But, why was she with him? Is she really that easy? Or that self-destructive? I hope this all leads to some good facing off between Lee and Baltar. James Callis and Jamie Bamber haven't had much of a chance to work together yet, but I suspect they could play off each other very nicely. I can see Baltar trying to "retaliate" against Lee in some way for the humiliation and try to prove that he's the better man and salve his bruised ego.

**Kara - she's true to form, if nothing else. As easily manipulated as Silly Putty. Do you think that maybe... just maybe... Adama will finally open his eyes and figure out that Kara does NOT walk on water? Will he do the math and realize that in spite of being a great pilot, she really does screw up more often than not? And where does she get off with the attitude? She's pissed because he didn't tell her the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yo Kara -- what about that little getting-Zak-killed-and-lying-about-it-for-2-years thing?

**Galactica-Boomer - Man was that creepy, seeing Baltar talking Sharon into suicide? I guess he does know, however, that she won't really die, but with her Galactica-body dead, nobody will find out about his false-negative test result, will they? Hmm. That little lie could be a problem for him, couldn't it? And is Boomer really that bad a shot? Or did her Cylon side prevent her from shooting straight until she's completed her mission. The master-at-arms should refuse to re-issue her a sidearm if she handles it that poorly.

**Caprica-Boomer and Helo - Would somebody give that poor boy a hug? I feel Soooooo sorry for him!! I don't feel sorry for Sharon. She knew (or at least believed!) that she wouldn't die even if he did shoot.

**Laura Roslin - true propeht? false prophet? or just looney? The visions are showing some credibility, so we'll have to see how this arrow thing plays out. It was pretty under-handed to go behind the Commander's back with regard to the use of the Raider -- and pretty calous to interfere with the rescue of her VP -- but if she's right... she could end up saving Adama's ass... and HIS credibility. Starbuck isn't the only who'll be pissed over his charade if word gets out.

** Apollo and Starbuck - these two definitely have "history' of some sort. RDM stated prior to the mini that they share some kind of "twisted" past relationship. Did they "do it" way back when, or not? I'm undecided. But Apollo is still irked by the memory of that major for some reason. And so is Starbuck for that matter. They have to elaborate on this next season.

** This ep's one MAJOR drawback - there's only one more ep left in the season! And then no more until July. BUMMER.

Well said. I agree with a lot of your points. I was really surprised that Lee hit Kara back, but it was kinda funny!

[Roadrunner]

Had to post this... a behind the scenes story of Lee and Kara's little tiff as told by Jamie Bamber to "Starlog" magazine back in February.
;D
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"Katee and I were doing a scene where we end up punching each other. It's a heads-up scene about jealousy. She has been seeing someone else, and there's this deep-seated jealousy that suddenly explodes in Lee that he didn't know he had. So she hits me, and I hit her straight back. Katee suggested that some blood should come out of my mouth because Starbuck clocks me really hard. When you're hit in the face, you're gonna bleed. But the director felt that would confuse the issue and said no.

We rehearsed it a couple of times, and then, for the final scene, Katee gave me a good crack with a right-hand hook and my nose just gushed blood! Everyone thought she had broken my nose. I had tears in my eyes and there was blood everywhere. Poor Katee was absolutely mortified. It was my fault. I was standing way too close and she just swatted me. Katee is a very strong woman and delivers a pretty good punch, let me tell you! My nose didn't break, but the director said, 'Well you guys proved your point. We now have blood!' "

[Silentwolfdog]

Wow...Katee accidently hit him?

That happens sometimes...but I am glad he take it well...

Though in the scene it seem like Apollo hurt her more than she actually hurt him. Seem like she just hit his jaw then he just hit her nose...and we know nose hurt more than jaw right? Dunno...

[1987SilverOak]

Interesting stuff, that punch did look pretty realistic!

[siouxsmn]

Roadrunner said:

Had to post this... a behind the scenes story of Lee and Kara's little tiff as told by Jamie Bamber to "Starlog" magazine back in February.
;D
----------------------------

"Katee and I were doing a scene where we end up punching each other. It's a heads-up scene about jealousy. She has been seeing someone else, and there's this deep-seated jealousy that suddenly explodes in Lee that he didn't know he had. So she hits me, and I hit her straight back. Katee suggested that some blood should come out of my mouth because Starbuck clocks me really hard. When you're hit in the face, you're gonna bleed. But the director felt that would confuse the issue and said no.

We rehearsed it a couple of times, and then, for the final scene, Katee gave me a good crack with a right-hand hook and my nose just gushed blood! Everyone thought she had broken my nose. I had tears in my eyes and there was blood everywhere. Poor Katee was absolutely mortified. It was my fault. I was standing way too close and she just swatted me. Katee is a very strong woman and delivers a pretty good punch, let me tell you! My nose didn't break, but the director said, 'Well you guys proved your point. We now have blood!' "

The man is a gentleman!!!

Katee didn't pull her punch, and he take the blame for the whole thing! Now I gotta wonder....did he have any trouble hitting her back?

[Silentwolfdog]

Gentleman is a good word... he is the one...cool.

That's what I thought...he take whole thing as his fault...maybe he just did that to make Katee feel better...I know I would feel so guilt if I did that...but actually I would say it would be part of my fault too if I did that too...

What do you mean by that having trouble hitting her back? You mean as in rehearsed part? Or what...?

[1987SilverOak]

I flat out love the Lee/Kara relationship. It shows the flaws in both and how hard it can be to get things working between 2 people. They are both obviously in love with each other, but they are self-destructive (most of the time) when they are together.

[ED]

I must say that the Lee/Starbuck character relationship is awesome. I was a little miffed that starbuck was changed to a female in the "reimagining", but i think that they both pull it off.
A little side note, when i went through basic, they had the males and females train together. We were doing pugil sticks and the Drill sergeants had a guy and a girl fight. i don't know if it was on purpose or not, but the girl had the first hit and then that dude beat the sh!t out of her. i honestly think that the DS just wanted to see what would happen. The guy felt bad about it until the DS fought him. And the DS beat the shit out of him. I think it was just a, "theres always someone stronger" type thing. But anyway there is no real point i wanted to make, just thought i'd share.

[metroid]

Man........this is gonna be a long week!!!!!!!!!!