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Post by Mustex on Jan 3, 2005 18:25:13 GMT -5
In 5 to 7 years the only thing we will see is Ronnie's show on the big creen.  Anybody who believes that in 5 to 7 years we are going to see Richard, Dirk and the rest on the big screen needs to have their head examined. Isn't happening. I'll get my head examined in the morning. Anyway, in response to your earlier comment about Six being based on Seven of Nine: Ever compared her to the T-X? Much closer match. But continuing, here are some responses at spacebattles.com: ;D O.k., he asked for it. Give me some more to put up. |
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Post by kingfish on Jan 3, 2005 20:44:18 GMT -5
The T-X didn't have sex with anybody. Kristanna Lokan is hotter than Trisha. ;D
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Post by Mustex on Jan 3, 2005 21:08:20 GMT -5
The T-X didn't have sex with anybody. Kristanna Lokan is hotter than Trisha. ;D Hotter than Trisha defies the laws of physics. I have a mathematical proof buried somewhere in my room, but I'm a teenager, so you know I'll never be able to find it in there. ;D Still, think about it. A blonde, killer robot. |
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Post by caseOrange on Jan 4, 2005 3:42:18 GMT -5
Call me a traitor if you will, but i can't agree that BSG TOS was better than Star Trek TOS. Even jokingly.  i liked BSG TOS just as much as anybody on this board; if i didn't, i wouldn't have cared that they re-made the series. i liked it because it was like Star Wars on tv every week. But, IMHO, even Star Wars pales to Star Trek TOS (or any Star Trek IMO). And for the same reason BSG TOS doesn't compare to Star Trek TOS: Star Wars and BSG involve a constant enemy and our heroes' fight against it. Star Trek is exploration. It leaves the imagination open-ended to where any kind of enemy, friend or neutral party could be encountered at any given time. This is not at all meant as a slight toward BSG--on the contrary, i think BSG is going to surpass the whole Star Wars concept by a mile for one reason: IMHO, BSG is a purer sci-fi than Star Wars, which has become more of a tit-for-tat between the species of the week alongside the battle of two sides of the same Force. (yawn) The special effects are always nice, though. OK, now that i've p.o'd every BSG and Star Wars fan within earshot, i'm ready for the lashing.  |
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Post by Mustex on Jan 4, 2005 9:30:50 GMT -5
Call me a traitor if you will, but i can't agree that BSG TOS was better than Star Trek TOS. Even jokingly. BURN THE HERETIC! Forget burning, this goes beyond any kind of punishment humans have yet concieved of. I'll have to think of something new. Star Trek is techno-babbilized utopianism. I'm not hearing this! I'm not hearing this! How can you have a species of the week, when you have to wait years for the movies? And Star Trek practically INVENTED species of the week. |
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Post by MHall on Jan 4, 2005 10:17:47 GMT -5
If tribbles infested the Galactica in one section, Tigh would vent it to space. Tyrol: "I've got at least a hundred people trapped up there with the tribbles! I need a minute to get them out!" Tigh: "No time! Seal it off! Now!" Tyrol: "They'll only need a minute!" Tigh: "We don't have a minute! If the tribbles reach the grain storage deck, they'll reproduce exponentially and we'll lose the ship! DO IT!"
If we had nightmares about the seductive powers of the Borg Queen, we have wet dreams about the seductive powers of Six.
Mirror, Mirror and Yesterday's Enterprise were two of the best episodes of Star Trek and its The Next Generation. EVERY episode of Battlestar Galactica TNS is like this, in more ways than one.
Spock, Tuvok, Data... they all occasionally went nuts for an episode and nearly killed the whole crew, and then the next week it was like it never happened. On Battlestar Galactica TNS, we know some of the crew are threats and will continue to be threats, but we don't know who they all are, which drives us nuts (in a good way.) Even more interestingly, some who are threats may convert to the side of the humans, but it's all more messy and complex and "fascinating" and "intriguing" than the binary good-evil style of Star Trek.
The Borg's plan was to assimilate. I don't know what the Cylon's plan is, but whatever it is, it's more interesting.
Poop. People poop on Battlestar Galactica TNS. I think the closest you get to this in Star Trek is the fan mythos that Khan must have met Chekov in the bathroom.
Phase inverted dilithium matrix techno-babble... (almost) none in BSG TNS.
No new facial ridge style of the week, because Battlestar Galactica doesn't encounter any alien species.
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Post by caseOrange on Jan 4, 2005 22:07:23 GMT -5
AAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! i'm melting... i'm melting...  Hey, at least i wasn't being a Lang about this.  |
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Post by unigolyn on Jan 5, 2005 5:03:34 GMT -5
i liked BSG TOS just as much as anybody on this board; if i didn't, i wouldn't have cared that they re-made the series. I sure didn't, but technically when you posted that I wasn't on the board yet As far as Star Trek TOS goes, it's umm... Likable, but cheesier than mayor McCheese dipping cheetos into Kraft dinner in a cheese factory on the moon (which is made of green cheese). Neither of the TOSs have aged well. No one born after, say, 1985 can watch them without flinching. You got yer Kelso hairdos and yer daggets on one side, and your Eugenics War of 1992 on the other. For their time, they were very good shows, but their time has gone. The gee-whiz space opera era is over, at least for now. nuBSG is better than TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT because: 1. no latex-nose-protrusion aliens of the week 2. no technobabble 3. no reset button 4. kinetic weapons - laser beams are so 20th century 5. characters who smoke and drink and gamble (TNG poker games don't count, what the hell do you bet on in a communist society?) 6. TOILETS!!! 7. people have character flaws, substance abuse issues, codependency issues, and Baltar is a complete nutjob 8. moral questions that go beyond the stupid Prime Directive or 'I am torn between my human side and my imaginary alien side'. 9. female military officers who kick ass instead of soccer moms filling gender quotas (no more bodice-ripping holodeck adventures with Janeway!) 10. actual relevance to modern issues by the last one I'm referring to the way TOS Star Trek tackled issues in a rather allegorical and philosophizing (and ham-handedly contrived) way - waxing poetic about the duality of human nature by using transporter accidents to split him into EvilKirk and GoodKirk. Worked back in the 60s, and worked to address the sort of 'universal' issues that Trek dealt with, but it's been done to death, and I don't think anyone really cares anymore. The time of the space opera is gone (B5, I think, took that concept as far as it'll go). The new BSG is not really about these grand philosophical concepts, but rather a study of our (western) society as it is today (well, roughly). The extraterrestrial setting merely allows it to distance itself from West Wing-style make-believe situations on Earth, and that is crucial because there's no way to objectively cover any actual modern political or social issue in a 45 minute show, or even a multi-season arc. It'd end up as partisan preaching or trite superficiality, and it'd pretty much be a one-trick pony as far as picking subject matter goes. The 12 colonies are a capitalist, representative democracy (of a sort), instead of a utopian egalitarian society. The ethical struggles of president Roslyn are relevant to modern viewers because it is roughly the same system as ours. Picard's pontificating on the Prime Directive might make good melodrama, but why should we care? There's no way to stop cultural and technological cross-contamination on this planet, unless you find some untouched 50-person tribe on Papua-New-Guinea, and that is hardly what Roddenberry was getting at. Interesting thought experiment but completely irrelevant to modern people. Personally, I'm just thrilled that there's a science fiction show that not only gives us spectacular space battles, interesting and realistic characters and exciting plot lines, but also tackles issues such as torturing enemy fighters to extract information, the relationship between civilian and military authorities in a democracy during a crisis, the balance between the public's right to be informed and the authorities' duty to avoid spreading panic, prisoners' rights and so on. And I think that's why it'll resonate with a lot of other people. That, and Six's cleavage, of course. Sorry to get so long-winded, and I'd seriously like to avoid any new BSG/old BSG/Trek blasphemer arguments. The old BSG, all the Treks, B5, Star Wars, whatever - they're all good sci-fi, and I enjoy most of them immensely. But the new BSG is different and new and relevant to our times, and it'll work because of it. |
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Post by unigolyn on Jan 5, 2005 5:06:56 GMT -5
Whoops. Mhall covered a lot of what I said already.
Oh, and Khan and Chekov did indeed meet in the bathroom - Pavel wasn't seen on the rest of the wessel during season one because he was trying to figure out the three sea shells.
EDIT: changed wording
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Post by caseOrange on Jan 5, 2005 6:08:15 GMT -5
i didn't mean to imply that Star Trek TOS isn't cheesy or that it's less cheesy than BSG TOS. i just think ST TOS was a little better. While i was writing that original post, i knew there'd be repercussions, so i tried to be fair to all sides while still stating my opinion. i pictured myself with a bat, clubbing a hornets nest.  i won't pour anymore salt in the wound by going into details about why i liked ST TOS more. And i'm defintely not touching the Star Wars thing again!  There's probably people out there performing ritualistic Jedi curses towards me (or maybe not). In any event, i truly love the new BSG. Even when friends that knew about it told me about the sex and race changes, and that the original storyline would not necessarily be held to, i was still happy that it was being redone--that maybe now it could get the respect that, IMO, it didn't get when BSG TOS aired. i apologize if i posted anything that offended fans of any of the above-mentioned series', but i don't apologize for my opinion.  |
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Post by ViperPilotMomma on Jan 5, 2005 17:01:42 GMT -5
Oh, and Khan and Chekov did indeed meet in the bathroom - Pavel wasn't seen on the rest of the wessel during season one because he was trying to figure out the three sea shells. EDIT: changed wording Nice obscure reference about the 3 sea shells! Now, can anyone name that movie? IMO, I don't think it would serve the viewing public for RDM & company to revamp "species of the week" scenarios oh yet again - It IS tired and, frankly, the viewing public expects and deserves more than that. And I think that we are going to get something different (bare in mind that I've only seen the mini series so I could be full of stuffing on this! ) Afterall, RDM & company need viewership in order for this series to survive and, looking at this from a business point of view, if they know their customers well (as a smart business person would) they would know that we crave more. Likewise with all other 'old' ways of doing things, the times are too different. Gone are the days of squeeky clean characters and 'sterile' character interactions. Its not what the viewers want, its not something they can relate to. Ever wonder why there is such a glut of "reality" programs on TV? People either want to see a train wreck (as long as its not their own) or they can relate to the people/scenarios on these programs. People want to see all of these nasty little situations, because they've lived it themselves, they know someone or heard of someone who did, or its a way of being exposed to it without actually having to personally experience it. Just some thoughts running around in my small pea brain! ;D Best Regards, VPM |
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Post by JasonN2003 on Jan 5, 2005 17:23:40 GMT -5
3 Sea Shells?
Demolition Man
What prize do i get?
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Post by ViperPilotMomma on Jan 5, 2005 17:56:35 GMT -5
Hmmm. I don't recall mentioning anything about a prize. VPM |
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Post by MHall on Jan 5, 2005 21:29:48 GMT -5
Battlestar Galactica's annoying character (Ellen) is less annoying than Star Trek TNG's Lwaxana Troi or Wesley Crusher.
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Post by Crashdown on Jan 5, 2005 22:16:14 GMT -5
Battlestar Galactica's annoying character (Ellen) is less annoying than Star Trek TNG's Lwaxana Troi or Wesley Crusher. Or Beverly Crusher who was in every single freaking episode. ... well apart from season 2, when they actually managed to find someone worse, which was absolutely staggering. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I could not stand Beverly Crusher. Or Wesley Crusher. I bet Jack Crusher (was it Jack? I forget) was equally annoying when he was alive. |
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