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Post by deleriad on Feb 17, 2005 6:14:34 GMT -5
I think all 6 currently written episodes are likely to be a single story. Perhaps called "6 days" or something like that. I expect them to bring the initial arc to an end. i.e. at the end of it, BSG's initial flight ends and we enter a new phase.
Somethings that seem likely. Roslin has a plan and expected to be put in the brig.
Boomer on Caprica has 'gone native' and will give away what she knows about the Cylon plan to Helo and Starbuck. (Going native may actually be what she's supposed to do...)
Adama will survive but probably will not be out of critical until the end of the second ep.
Apollo will be put in the brig and Tigh will not let him out. Roslin's plan will put Tigh in an untenable position that forces him to get Apollo out. Probably the ending point of the first episode. I expect Billy will be Roslin's main tool.
Baltar's gone over the edge. When we see inside his mind now he is hanging out in the opera house and directing Cylons to do things. However 'his' No 6 is not happy. She is 'losing' her Baltar.
Opening scene?
Close up on a model of sailing ship, someone building it with infinite care. Camera pans back to reveal Adama. A leisurely pan around the room. It's an open plan country house with a view of Caprica city in the background.
We become aware of the cylon 'eye' noise from somewhere.
A shadow looms over ADAMA. The faintest hint of a red glow (or perhaps sunlight reflecting off a red dress or perhaps a hint of spilled blood).
ADAMA: I wondered when you would get here.
Then through the window the stormfront of a nuke's pressure wave and the window blows in.
CUT TO
Adama on the console, blood spilling everywhere...
Previously on Battlestar Galactica.
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Post by WilliamHuskerAdama on Feb 19, 2005 12:31:24 GMT -5
That will be one great first episode of season 2 to send to Ron Moore right there I'm telling you , and I even like the title of '6 days ' ,  that is if Ron Moore didn't think of it first  , that's even a great fanfic to do too . WHA |
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Post by Skinwalker on Feb 21, 2005 2:54:11 GMT -5
I don't think Baltar is coming back to Galactica. Maybe he'll stay with the Cylons.
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Post by CaptainStigmata on Feb 21, 2005 8:52:17 GMT -5
I think Baltar will take the Cylon's side, at least for the time being.
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Post by deleriad on Feb 21, 2005 9:02:22 GMT -5
I don't think Baltar is coming back to Galactica. Maybe he'll stay with the Cylons. Oh he'll come back. Let's face it would you have a main actor who never interacts with the rest of the cast? I suspect that his 'hallucination' will change though. I've never seen the original show (even as a 10 year old kid I thought it was "too corny" though ironically, watching the new show has made me curious about the old one as I think I may have dismissed it too easily) but I noticed clips of Baltar secretly ordering Cylons around. It would be very cool if Baltar is still with the fleet but is having hallucinations about Cylon armies or conferring with some sort of Cylon overmind. I can imagine him being in untenable positions where he constantly betrays the fleet but tries to minimize the harm done. The tragedy of Baltar would be to live in the middle of all those who he repeatedly betrays and all because he is too weak and too egotistical to act morally. |
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Post by CaptainStigmata on Feb 21, 2005 11:40:33 GMT -5
In TOS, Baltar actually spent the majority of his time with the Cylons  |
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 21, 2005 15:58:34 GMT -5
"Parents have to die. It's the only way that children come into their own." - Caprica/Doral, Bastille Day
From the moment that line was aired, it felt like some serious foreshadowing to me. I don't have any specific notion how it will be done, (and I KNOW Cmdr Adama won't actually die) but I think in the 2nd season opener we will see Apollo "come into his own" somehow as a result of his father being temporariliy incapacitated -- possibly even ending up taking command of Galactica for a time.
There have actually been several tidbits dropped here and there that felt like foreshadowing, but I think the others will take longer than ep 2.01 to pan out.
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Post by ChrisS on Feb 21, 2005 18:13:01 GMT -5
You guys are offering some very cool ideas. My main hope for the season premiere is that things don't get resolved *too* fast. For example, I predict that when Baltar eventually returns to the fleet, he'll play a role in defusing the political crisis that now has Roslin behind bars. But I definitely don't want to see this happen in the season premiere! There are too many dramatic possibilities open with Tigh in command, and the civilian leadership out of the picture. It would be a serious cheat if they don't stretch out the consequences of that over several episodes. Oh, and I guarantee that we'll be seeing some Cylon ground troops on Kobol. If the Caprica storyline is indeed wrapping up, there will no longer be an excuse to show the Cylon toasters every week. So the writers will have to grab onto every excuse they can find to show them.  |
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Post by MHall on Feb 23, 2005 8:11:43 GMT -5
I read some speculation on scifi.com, and I think it may be correct. It ties together two loose ends: "Adama is a Cylon" and "You don't want to be here when it happens!"
Here is my version of this speculation. Suppose internal Six knew that Commander Adama's Cylon test results were going to altered by a Cylon agent, changing Adama's result from "human" to "Cylon." So she warned Baltar, "You don't want to be here when it happens," because this would implicate not only Commander Adama but also Baltar, since Baltar said Commander Adama passed the test. Baltar left on the doomed raptor, and brainiac Gaeta started snooping through Baltar's lab and found (or planted) the test results saying Commander Adama is a Cylon. He went to Boomer with the information, because her test result said she was human (or else because she was a fellow Cylon.) They possibly consulted with another "confirmed" human, Laura Roslin, who told them the "Adama is a Cylon" tip from Leoben. They hatched a plan to assassinate Commander Adama at the first sign of trouble. Trouble came quickly, when Adama launched a military coup. Lt. Gaeta felt they could wait no longer and handed Boomer a gun as Adama was entering.
The first two or three episodes will feature a witch hunt gone awry. Boomer, Lt. Gaeta, Baltar, Commander Adama, and possibly Laura Roslin will vary in their apparent Cylon status from episode to episode or even commercial break to commercial break.
I think Galactica Boomer will confess to being a Cylon, but will explain that she consciously switched to the human side after she saw the copies of herself, and she will try to explain that she is now a good Cylon, and that's why she shot Adama - because at the time she thought he was a bad Cylon. Meanwhile, Caprica Boomer will return, with Helo (and possibly Starbuck) saying Caprica Boomer is a good Cylon too.
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Post by deleriad on Feb 23, 2005 8:33:52 GMT -5
Those are some really neat ideas. A conspiracy to frame Adama would make a lot of sense. I personally don't think Gaeta is a Cylon (but I could imagine that his computer talks to him) and I do think that everything about how Boomer acted when she shot indicates Cylon programming. I think you're right though that Roslin hatched a plan to deal with Adama as she's shown herself to be a ruthless operator when pushed. Personally I think Billy is a cylon (and I just saw the outtake where he gives a press conference and that indicates just how much steel he possesses behind his facade). I think you're right that Boomer will not be cut and dried. I think that they'll try to keep her on as she convinces people that the shock of shooting Adama has broken her programming. I suspect that, as you say, we'll see paranoia, dissention, accusations and then the person who will save the day, the one person absolutely everyone knows is above accusation, who will reluctantly take command is.... Baltar. At least that's what the Cylons hope. As to what ruins the cylon's plan, I suspect that it has something to do with arrow. I suspect that they have overlooked some small detail. I think due to the 'cycle of time' someone has pre-planned this and the arrow is meant to deceive the cylons (or whatever the emergent machine intelligences were to be called). It's a long time to go to season 2  I read some speculation on scifi.com, and I think it may be correct. It ties together two loose ends: "Adama is a Cylon" and "You don't want to be here when it happens!" Here is my version of this speculation. Suppose internal Six knew that Commander Adama's Cylon test results were going to altered by a Cylon agent, changing Adama's result from "human" to "Cylon." So she warned Baltar, "You don't want to be here when it happens," because this would implicate not only Commander Adama but also Baltar, since Baltar said Commander Adama passed the test. Baltar left on the doomed raptor, and brainiac Gaeta started snooping through Baltar's lab and found (or planted) the test results saying Commander Adama is a Cylon. He went to Boomer with the information, because her test result said she was human (or else because she was a fellow Cylon.) They possibly consulted with another "confirmed" human, Laura Roslin, who told them the "Adama is a Cylon" tip from Leoben. They hatched a plan to assassinate Commander Adama at the first sign of trouble. Trouble came quickly, when Adama launched a military coup. Lt. Gaeta felt they could wait no longer and handed Boomer a gun as Adama was entering. The first two or three episodes will feature a witch hunt gone awry. Boomer, Lt. Gaeta, Baltar, Commander Adama, and possibly Laura Roslin will vary in their apparent Cylon status from episode to episode or even commercial break to commercial break. I think Galactica Boomer will confess to being a Cylon, but will explain that she consciously switched to the human side after she saw the copies of herself, and she will try to explain that she is now a good Cylon, and that's why she shot Adama - because at the time she thought he was a bad Cylon. Meanwhile, Caprica Boomer will return, with Helo (and possibly Starbuck) saying Caprica Boomer is a good Cylon too. |
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Post by CylonGod on Feb 23, 2005 9:18:20 GMT -5
It's a long time to go to season 2 It sure is deleriad. I can hardly wait to see if any of these ideas prove out and where the adventure takes them/us. I know it's gonna be worth the wait! |
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Post by rnrmummy on Feb 26, 2005 19:25:13 GMT -5
Ok, heres what I can see happening:
2.1 Adama in sickbay and critical, Roslin in the brig, and Tigh is in charge of orchestrating a rescue mission. There is no need to delegate a new leader at this point as the civilians will not have heard that Baltar is on Kobol. I think that he will become acting president when he returns, until the end of 2.2 when Tigh will probably decide that he is too nuts for the job, and Roslin will be released.
2.2 might end with a shot of the brig door opening and then cut to The Old Man's eyes opening. It would work as the last time they were together you had Adama shutting the brig door on Roslin.
Other random musings:
Baltar:
I think Six said "you don't want to be here when it happens" in case Boomer ratted him out, although I have my doubts as to whether she is capable of squealing on him as she had "problems saying the words" in water.
Roslin:
Are we sure the hallucinations are from the drug she is taking? I think that she may have a chip in her head and the images are being transmitted to her.
Adama: He will live neigh he must live. Oh god don't let them kill him and then have some sort of flashback scene every week. E.g. The first time Tigh/The Chief/The Dog met him, or Words of Wisdom remembered by Tigh/The Chief/The Dog. That would just be wrong.
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Post by Asclepius on Feb 27, 2005 12:56:57 GMT -5
What if every thing the spaced Cylon said turned out to be true? Adama is a cylon i.e. the mia number six and the real Adam is incapacitated some place on galactica. And that information was the bomb that was set to go off. I still haven't worked out how boomer would have realized that. Then they could swap Boomer/Helo to Galactaca with boomer/chief on Kobol,  |
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Post by Tato on Feb 28, 2005 5:08:32 GMT -5
This is going bigger picture, but what is the thrust of season 2 going to be? Obviously issues of leadership and resourcing of the fleet will have to be considered while continuing to maintain evasive operations from the Cylons. But will the humans ever get into a position to truly strike back? Or is the best that they can hope for a kind of hide-and-seek stalemate? I think there will be an undercurrent of race-development in season 2. Of the Cylons! No doubt they are going to turn out to be able to "feel more" and have a wider range of attitudes to humans than we suspect now! And that's not even considering the new baby cy-umans...
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Post by MHall on Feb 28, 2005 7:14:53 GMT -5
The bigger picture is that in season two the Cylons may be the least of the fleet's concerns. Paranoia and internal conflicts are brewing: a military coup, a ruthless president, Zarek, Ellen, the assassin's assassins (from Ep. 11), religious fanatics, etc. At least the Cylons probably aren't trying to destroy or capture the Galactica, but the plans of Zarek or others may not be so kind.
We will also see Cylons (known as such to all) entering human society for the first time. Well, it has already started, with Caprica Boomer being tolerated by Helo and probably soon Starbuck. At some point, we will also see humans entering Cylon society. If Baltar leaves the fleet, he won't be so lonely like the TOS Baltar, because he'll have a lot of playthings.
And either in season two or three we will dive deep into Cylon society, which will prove every bit as fractionated as Colonial society. I guess this requires that a couple more Cylon models are coughed up soon, or that it's revealed that are older/younger instances of the existing models. We already have seen linkage between instances of the same model, like Caprica Six beating the snot out of Starbuck in a cruel way, after Internal Six was jealous. Yet we have also seen model-on-same-model violence (Caprica Boomer versus white coat Caprica Boomer, Galactica Boomer versus a basestar full of Boomers.) So, it's not clear if Cylon factions will strictly follow model lines... I hope not. Of course, it's no biggy if a Cylon destroys a Cylon... they can't die. Except for waking up in a different place, the destruction of a Cylon is perhaps something like a human fist punch... it's gotta hurt, but it (normally) won't kill you. They still can have power struggles.
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