peshwari
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Post by peshwari on Nov 29, 2004 7:28:08 GMT -5
Ok this might be stretching it a little but I had a thought  As we are all aware the old BSG had quite a bit of Egyptian etc mythology and symbology woven into it. I realise that the new BSG has toned this down somewhat. But I was thinking about why 12 cylons and a thought occurred what if this was some reference to the 12 apostles. Does this mean that when they are referring to "God" are they talking about someone we haven't seen yet? Maybe the person who gave the old cylons the capability to mimic human form and enhance their AI? If so where are they? Also if this is the case who is their Judas? Is it the 6 in Baltars mind? Just thoughts - don't want to get tto heavy here but if Moore was going to keep some sort of philisophical framework for BSG perhaps this is it? |
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Post by Blade Runner on Nov 29, 2004 7:48:43 GMT -5
If there are 12 human models and not just 12 Cylon models, there could be one for each colony.
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Post by peshwari on Nov 29, 2004 8:11:47 GMT -5
If there are 12 human models and not just 12 Cylon models, there could be one for each colony. true it could be as simple as that - but the Cylons seem to be placing a lot of emphasis on metaphysical matters and I believe that Moore has several layers to this plot that will be slowly unveiled (just like B5). The again I might be giving him to much credit!  Hope not!  |
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Post by LtStarbuck121880 on Nov 29, 2004 14:45:05 GMT -5
I agree with the one model per colony thing. This is quite interesting, especially with what Starbuck found in "You Can't Go Home Again". It would appear that the cylons have found a way to become biological and this intrigues me. Also, so far, all the cylon models seem to be in a similar age range. They've clearly been planning the assault for years. I'd like to know if its possible that the cylons could "produce" their own biological children, through sex. Its all very interesting, and I think Moore will go the philosophical route in time. But 12 cylon models and 12 colonies? It seems to add up perfectly in my opinion, because then you have one cylon type on every colony finding out how that particular colony works, weaknesses, strengths, etc. Anyway, those are my thoughts so far, I'm still working on this one...
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Post by darth_librarian on Nov 30, 2004 8:00:51 GMT -5
Mad idea... 12 Cylon models, one from each colony, based on genetic material from that colony. To create a new race and become humanities new children, they must breed. To do this, must fully understand human emotions of love, responsibility etc... Hence all the messing Helo around, an attempt to understanding human bonding. Not sure how nuking everything in site factors in though. Just an idea...  |
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Post by Daliden on Nov 30, 2004 10:32:43 GMT -5
Anybody wanna bet that there are 12 Lords of Kobol as well?
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Post by Wylden on Nov 30, 2004 18:38:36 GMT -5
Anybody wanna bet that there are 12 Lords of Kobol as well? If you go back to the Mormon basis of the original series - the Lords of Kobol = the Quorum of the Twelve in the Mormon Hierarchy, SO perhaps you are correct? The Sires and Siresses were analogous to the Quorum of the Seventy and there were seventy of them. This response probably belongs in the comparison thread, but again, you may have a point... From the Greek perspective there were 12 "top" gods/goddesses - the olympians - those that lived on Olympus = Zues, Poisideon, Hestia, Hermes, Hera, Hephaestus, Demeter, Athena, Artemis, Aphrodite, Apollo, and Ares. |
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Post by fleckneymike on Dec 2, 2004 4:31:07 GMT -5
It also has links with the 12 tribes of Israel who Moses guided across the desert after they had been cast out, which can obviously be linked to galactica's role in guiding the colonies to earth.
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Post by Blade Runner on Dec 2, 2004 7:36:44 GMT -5
It could also relate to the 12 signs of the Zodiac
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Post by loserpatrol on Dec 3, 2004 11:44:37 GMT -5
one died in the opening sequence of the mini-series, and adama beat one to death with a mag-lite, and in the final scene, the human-like cylons are standing together at ragnar anchorage with the count at 9 if im not mistaken. the last cylon to be shown also reveals the identity of the "sleeper agent". that adds up to 12 to me. i wasnt sure what had happened to baltars 6. it was never really verified that she was/wasnt destroyed, other than making appearances in baltars mind. someone help me here if im wrong. also, with more than one model up and running at the same time, do they have distinct personalities, do they share a collective conscience like the borg? if baltars lil honey would die, would her memories be transfered to all other models or just the ones of her likness and would it be restricted to just one or split between them all? paradox...pandoras box.....AAARRRGG!!!   |
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Post by Alan on Dec 4, 2004 3:59:17 GMT -5
one died in the opening sequence of the mini-series, and adama beat one to death with a mag-lite, and in the final scene, the human-like cylons are standing together at ragnar anchorage with the count at 9 if im not mistaken. the last cylon to be shown also reveals the identity of the "sleeper agent". that adds up to 12 to me. There are twelve bio-Cylon models, not twelve individuals. So far we have seen only four models: - Number Six
- Aaron Doral
- Leoben Conoy
- Sharon Valerii
The producers have thus allowed themselves some leeway to hire eight additional actors for Cylon roles, or to reveal existing cast members as sleeper Cylons, which may be very useful if the series runs for several years. You are correct. It is possible that Baltar's original Six survived and is still running around on Caprica. The one in his mind could be a chip in his brain, or it could be a delusion caused by insanity and overwhelming guilt. We don't know yet. Fun, isn't it? ;D That's a great question, and a very difficult one. We don't know yet, but here are my random thoughts in an utterly random order. ;D First, I don't think that the Cylons share a group mind. We've frequently seen Cylons talking to each other in order to share information, which suggests that they don't have any kind of direct link, telepathy, or shared consciousness. Second, we have seen disagreements among the Cylons (for example, between Six and Valerii on Caprica) which suggests they don't all have the identical background or viewpoint. Third, we know that both original-Six and Leoben Conoy said that their minds would be transferred into new bodies if they died. We still don't know if they really believed it, or (if so) whether it's actually true. Fourth: if it's true that Cylons are transferred into new bodies when they die, then is it a true "transfer" (with all memories intact) or is it more like reincarnation (transfer of soul/spirit, but without knowledge and memories)? Fifth: Cylons have died who were out of contact with their culture, such as Leoben Conoy back on Ragnar Anchorage and possibly the Doral-clone in "Litmus". Since those Cylons are out of communication range with their backup bodies, do they die a "real" (non-reincarnating) death? Sixth: if the transfer is real (vs. spiritual) then what is the mechanism by which it occurs? If the Cylons have a low-power undetectable biologically-based FTL communication system with sufficient bandwidth to transfer an entire consciousness in the moment of death, wouldn't that be godlike tech? Seems like the Colonials wouldn't stand a chance against technology at that level. |
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Post by Xenu on Dec 4, 2004 4:20:38 GMT -5
Agreed. This is another reason why I wonder if somehow the Cylons made this a design choice, since obviously machines could interface without vocalization if they wanted to. If its a choice, then we know that they will intentionally limit themselves & their abilities in order to 'be' more human. True. This is not only known, but has almost been shoved in our faces....obviously some Cylon freewill (gratuitous Rush reference)subplot is in the works... This whole personality-download thing is really confusing; I almost wonder if it isnt't a kind of Cylon-mythology; something that creator Cylons tell the 'younger' ones to make them not fear death....'cus that would be some seriously formidable technology levels they were operating on otherwise. All in all though, these former 'walking chrome toasters' have turned into the coolest sci-fi villains in ages |
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Post by Alan on Dec 4, 2004 4:42:37 GMT -5
This whole personality-download thing is really confusing; I almost wonder if it isnt't a kind of Cylon-mythology; something that creator Cylons tell the 'younger' ones to make them not fear death....'cus that would be some seriously formidable technology levels they were operating on otherwise. Agreed! I wondered that exact same thing. Let's remember that the Cylons v. Colonials are (to some degree) metaphors for the current conflict between extremist Islam and the West. We have all heard that modern suicide bombers are promised eternal life in paradise (complete with willing virgins) if they die while killing their enemies. This is disturbingly similar to the pronouncements of Six and Conoy that they "cannot die" even if hit by a nuke. Or a metal flashlight. ;D Cylons believe they are immortal, so what do they have to lose by blowing themselves up the way Aaron Doral did in "Litmus"? From a technical viewpoint, the concept is utterly ridiculous. Six thinks she can survive a direct hit from a nuke by transferring her consciousness into another body?? That would be a pretty good trick, considering that the transmitter would have to transmit her whole personality through a massive wave of EM interference in the exact moment it was being blown to teensy tiny bits. ;D Also remember that bio-Cylons are completely undetectable... which presumably means they don't have a radio and battery packs stashed inside their craniums. Is this magic transmitter based on purely biological components and power systems, and also small enough to hide? Seems a bit ridiculous... The concept works better if it's propaganda or religion rather than literal truth. |
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Post by Daliden on Dec 4, 2004 4:45:56 GMT -5
From a technical viewpoint, the concept is utterly ridiculous. Six thinks she can survive a direct hit from a nuke by transferring her consciousness into another body?? That would be a pretty good trick, considering that the transmitter would have to transmit her whole personality through a massive wave of EM interference in the exact moment it was being blown to teensy tiny bits. ;D The concept works better if it's propaganda or religion rather than literal truth. Then again, those subspace (or whatever) communications very probably have little or nothing to do with the electro-magnetic radiation . . . |
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Post by Daliden on Dec 4, 2004 4:48:56 GMT -5
Sixth: if the transfer is real (vs. spiritual) then what is the mechanism by which it occurs? If the Cylons have a low-power undetectable biologically-based FTL communication system with sufficient bandwidth to transfer an entire consciousness in the moment of death, wouldn't that be godlike tech? Seems like the Colonials wouldn't stand a chance against technology at that level. Stealing shamelessly from Peter F. Hamilton's "Pandora's Star" . . . if I were a Cylon, I would constantly make back-ups of my personality, updating the archive every now and then. Upon the moment of death, the final update required would not then be as massive. Then the final copy is transfered from a central server to a new host body. Who knows what kind of bandwidths are possible using subspace communication anyway? |
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