Something I Noticed

[mjm800]

I have been visiting several different sci-fi sites seeing what people have to say about BSG and I have found some interesting correlations.

Those who liked Firefly generally have very good things to say about BSG.

Those who like Star Trek depending on the show seem to enjoy it. DS9 fans are for the most part fans of Moore and support the show, some very enthusiastically. TNG, Voy and TOS fans are anywhere from supportive to not interested. However, the fans of Enterprise make up the most noticeably vocal group.

It is no secret that Enterprise is failing and most likely it will be canceled, however, even though Enterprise is not up against BSG they seemed to have rallied against it and see BSG as the enemy. In fact, many have gone so far as to say that BSG is not a success when compared to the ratings for Enterprise; however, what they fail to address is that less homes receive Sci-fi than UPN and therefore, the numbers for BSG are quite impressive.

Why the fans of Enterprise are threatened by BSG is beyond me. I guess finding fault with Paramount has lost its allure, and now they must point to another show which is redefining and reshaping sci-fi on TV as an overrated soap opera inferior to Enterprise.

[koenigrules]

I wish some of these people would grow up!
Enterprise was faltering for the last 3 years.
If it gets canceled, its because BSG has the better plots.
To rely on the history of Star Trek for Enterprise is hardly original.
What RDM is doing is much more creative and thought-provoking!
If Enterprise goes, it's because the stories are predictable & the actors are just plain getting tired!
I mean, how many times are you going to see Archer get beat up, pulverized, blasted, etc. I'd rather he take command & let the crew take the punches!
OK- off my soap box!
KR

[13thCylon]

OK, let me throw my 2 cubits in! First off, I'm a huge Enterprise fan, BUT I am a bigger BSG TNS fan! Enterprise was decent for seasons 1 & 2, but it was INCREDIBLE for season 3 & all of season 4 until the present time. The problem is that the whole Trek thing needs something to invigorate it, like TNG did back in the late 80's!

I think that BSG TNS is gaining popularity & momentum week by week because it is much more believable & the characters act as we probably would in such a situation. This said, I think that Enterprise's 3rd season, with the entire season devoted to the Xindi arc, was one of the best seasons of scifi TV ever! They were dealing with a species that wanted to wipe out all of humanity, much like the Cylons. That season was more like a "Space Opera" in which all of the eps were interconnected & came to a conclusion. BSG TNS is working much the same way, with the whole season being a large arc, & having a couple of mini arcs within it.

I honestly feel that if Enterprise had originally been broadcast on another network other than the crappy UPN, it would have done a little better!

Needless to say, I'm an Enterprise fan who likes BSG TNS a whole lot more (Moore)!!

[mjm800]

Here is one example from the Trekbbs:

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Same here... I don't watch any of the shows on the Sci-Fi Friday line up because I think they are terrible.

My brother who was watching BSG turned it off in the middle of the show and when he came upstairs early I asked what happened. He looked at me and said, "It started out interesting but I am bored with it now."

I could not sit through BSG at all and I still don't get what is so great about it.

ENT deserves more! It deserves a chance. I would rather see the budget cut and it move to cable where it can have a shot to go the full 7 than for it to continue on UPN...

www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Board=UBB28&Number=3931744

How does any of that relate to Enterprise? The ratings are bad and it has nothing to do with BSG yet BSG is bashed for no reason whatsoever.

[koenigrules]

Actually SG-1 is up against Enterprise, not BSG.
Bash that show, not our beloved series.
I guess the Enterprise cultees do not see what is exactly competing against their program.
Oh well, let them rant & rave.
We still have our show.
And if Enterprise gets canceled, it will leave a void that BSG can fill hands down.
KR

[koenigrules]

And here's more evidence that Enterprise is being beaten by SG-1- NOT BSG!!!

trekweb.com/stories.php?aid=420031ceb7c2a&topBrowse=all

"Babel One" Struggles Against Sci-Fi's Friday Line-up, Overall Viewers Down Again

The final audience figure for last week's episode of STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE, "Babel One," have been published in Variety and posted at TrekBBS by Cyrus. Coming in at just 2.53 million viewers, "Babel One" is now the least-watched episode of the series.

The previous week's "Observer Effect" had held that title with 2.76 million viewers. The Fast National for "Babel One" was slightly higher than "Effect" (1.7 vs 1.6), but those numbers are unlikely to challenge the final household numbers for ENTERPRISE's biggest competitor on Fridays: the Sci-Fi Channel.

In a Sci-Fi press release, the network touts that a new episode of STARGATE SG-1 earned a 2.1 household rating in the eight o'clock timeslot.

[mjm800]

I think that they think Sci-Fi Friday as a whole is responsible for the low ratings of Enterprise, not the fact that it is an OK show with very little character depth or interesting stories. People are tuning into Sci-Fi at 8pm and they are not leaving. I also think that it was BSG that started the trend, as when Enterprise first came back three weeks ago it went up against the premiere of BSG and it got crushed, ever since then the ratings for Enterprise have dipped a little lower each week as the ratings for Sci-Fi have climbed. You do not need to be a brain surgeon to figure out where the viewers are leavening from and heading for.

I have nothing against Enterprise as I do watch the show; however, I am not going to miss it when it is gone either.

[Roner]

I haven't watched Enterprise since season 2. Not that I hated it, I just lost interest. But for Trek fans to blame Enterprises demise on BSG is ridiculous. Didn't UPN almost pull the plug after season 2? It seems like it was on life support way before Galactica came into the picture. I think Trek should wrap up Enterprise and let the franchise sit for at least five years. Come back with some new people on board and get a fresh start of things.

[MHall]

There is some linkage between consecutive shows, with viewers too lazy to change the channel or finding it easier to program their VCR's for just one block of time. Have the ratings for SG-1 risen since BSG started?

I'm a huge fan of Enterprise. Season 4 rocks(*). And since Enterprise is up against Sci-Fi Friday, which includes BSG, I say "death to Enterprise!" Kill Enterprise, and more people will watch Stargate, which means in turn more people will watch Battlestar Galactica, which means in turn I will get to see season two and three. Enterprise is my second favorite(**) current show, but BSG is so much better.

* Enterprise Season 4 rocks except for "Daedelus," which deserves a place in history next to TOS' "Spock's Brain."

** If you're wondering why Stargate SG-1 is not my second favorite current show, well, it could be, but I'm working my way through all the old episodes, and I'm just starting season 5.

[MHall]

MHall said:

I'm a huge fan of Enterprise. Season 4 rocks(*). And since Enterprise is up against Sci-Fi Friday, which includes BSG, I say "death to Enterprise!"

UPN Cancels Enterprise

I am an instrument of BSG!

[CylonGod]

It's sad actually as I liked Enterprise. They could have do more with the story but would have been much wiser to move to a date that didn't compete with BSG TNS and the STG series. The death of any sci fi series is a bad thing in my book unless it is so terrible that it deserves a mercy killing. I don't think Enterprise was at this point yet.

Hopefully we hear something good about a second season for my favorite show soon!

[SpiritOne]

I was directed to this board from Trekweb, a Star Trek fan website. I am a Trek fan, sort of. Meaning, I enjoy watching Kirk and Spock in TOS. TNG and DS9 also entertaining television, but then came voyager, and off the TV went.

That show was absolute crap. When Enterprise Premiered, I thought the pilot was great. Then they slowly went downhill. Season 3 was SHIT. They "tried" and failed to do a season long war arc, but they did a piss poor job of it. As a result, I stopped watching Enterprise too. I have seen some of the new Manny Coto/Revees Stevens episodes since, and a few have been decent, but its too little WAY too late to save that show.

Really good emotional scifi hasnt been on Television since Babylon 5 finished its 5 year story. New Galactica is exactly what Star Trek isnt, good scifi.

Enterprise being cancelled is good news, because hopefully that means that Brannon Brega and Rick Berman are on their way out. They are directly responsible for the crap that Voyager/Enterprise/Insurection/Nemesis did to the Star Trek Label. If Gene Roddenberry didnt have himself creamated and spread into space he would be turning cartwheels in his grave right now over what Trek has become.

[antelope]

I am a long time Star Trek fan and prior to Enterprise saw all episodes of the various Star Trek incarnations. Early on Enterprise was just missing something. I think for me it was an episode where the Enterprise crew helped some people on a planet terrorized by Klingons. After all kinds of weapons fire, no one was killed, and the Klingons were rounded up. It was so PC and hokey I gave up on the show.

On advice of others I started watching it again this year and found it to be good again but I think too many gave up and never came back. On top of that there are a lot of people like my father who watch Enterprise and Stargate SG1. Once they were on at the same time he was forced to pick one to watch at the time the raters look. He chose Stargate. UPN not scifi moved Enterprise to Friday night.

UPN took a milk cow, quit feeding it, then once they started feeding it again decided to throw it in with a lion.

I think Stargate numbers may rise once Enterprise is gone. I don't know however if it will impact Battlestar one way or the other since it never was a choice between the two.

[Big Brother]

I suppose I also fit into the general schema in the top post of this thread.

I loved Firefly, and was thrilled to get the DVD set for Christmas. Best SciFi on TV since the end of B5 and before BSG-TNS.

I am a Trekkie from way back: the first movie I remember my Dad taking me to as a kid was Star Trek: The Motion Picture. I was a huge fan of original Trek (in reruns), TNG, and DS9. I even watched the first three seasons of Voyager religiously, although even I could tell that the show was not up to the usual Trek standards. I eventually stopped watching it religiously after college, but caught the occasional episode from time to time, and came back for the series finale (which was a big disappointment). When Enterprise came on, I watched it faithfully and taped every episode for the first season. By the end of that season, I was losing interest. By halfway through second season, I gave up entirely. I rarely catch the occasional episode these days, and even then almost never sit through an entire episode.

Along with Trek and the original trilogy of Star Wars, the other sci-fi series that defined my early childhood was the original Battlestar Galactica. I distantly followed online the Hatch, Larson, and DeSanto/Singer efforts to revive the series, and thought the DeSanto one looked like the best deal of the three. I was annoyed when it fell through, but happy when the Moore/Eick plan actually came to fruition. Unlike many BSG-TOS fans, I was never a "continuation or death" fanatic, so I enthusiastically awaited the miniseries, and was quite happy with the results. When it was picked up as a series, I was also thrilled, and so far it's lived up to the hype.

[Blade Runner]

Big said:

I am a Trekkie from way back: the first movie I remember my Dad taking me to as a kid was Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

My favourite of the Trek movies, it was breathtaking to see on the big screen, I was waiting for the first time they went into Warp ;D