2nd season Cylon?

[EJOFan]

Wasn't Husker Du a board game?

[Roner]

What about Zarek? Maybe his only mission is to create a wedge in the unity of the fleet. He's very charasmatic and the "poor" people would rally behind him when he offers a chance at a better life. Then if there is some kind of succesful revolt he would all of a sudden be in a position of power.

[MHall]

EJOFan said:

Wasn't Husker Du a board game?

Yes, actually the band took the name from a game.

[talbot]

if there's another cyclon in s2...my guess would be starbuck.

the real starbuck that we all know and love didn't/hasn't make it off caprica, was captured and possibly made into a 13th model...
helo and the starbuck are captured or stranded (along with boomer) on caprica and trying to escape

I think if anyone else is confirmed as a cylon would stretch the storyline too much. we know that there are 12 models, too many sleepers infiltratrating the colonies before the attack they would be tripping over themselves reporting for duty. having too many cyclons in the colonies would be a high risk of exposure while preparations were underway as it takes time to get them integrated into the colonies and they do not have control of assignments and deployments.

[Brazedowl]

It should also be considered that the design of each of the 12 models was carefully considered to facilitate the attack. Six was used to infiltrate the defence mainframe, Boomer and Doral models were being used to keep Galatica in check because it was more or less immune to the cyber attack the cylons were implemented. The cylon on Ragnar was likely there to stop/interact with any colonial ships that docked to restock, not the galatica specifically.

The other models were likely in other positions in the government and military where they could maintain a watch and prepare for the inital strike. I would be suprised if they would assign more then the two that they did to the Galatica. It just seems that that would be too large a portion of their resources dedicated to one area.

People to look out for:
Billy, Boxy, Other members of the presidents staff, any new "humans" boomer & helo encounter on Caprica.

[MHall]

Brazedowl, see if this shoots down your theory. Red-dressed Six from the mini-series was trained for infiltration/diplomacy/sabotage. Red-dressed Doral was trained for infiltration/diplomacy/sabotage. However, black-dressed Six in episode 12 (or 13?) and also in episode 4 (or 5 or 6) was for trained for combat. There are other examples like this.

In my opinion, it is not the model, but the training that decided a Cylon's role in the attack. It might help if you think of them as human beings, with some extra circuitry. They are adaptable, trainable.

Also, I think it's totally reasonable that several more Cylons could be in the Galactica crew, if the Cylon plan all along was to have Galactica and its rag-tag fleet run for Kobol and Earth.

[Brazedowl]

Ah. But all those surfaced after the Cylons conqured the 12 colonies, and once the colonials knew there were humonid versions of cylons. Prior to the attack, it would have been very risky to place more then the one or maybe two of each model in the colonies, because they would run the risk of being exposed in their positions.

So if there were at most 36 humonid cylons in the colonies (and that's pushing it) then placing more then 1 or 2 on the Galactica would have been pushing it, considering all the coodination that was nessicary for the inital assult on the colonial system. Additionally, why would they bother sending Doral to blow himself up on the Galactica if there was another sleeper aboard? He was a well known cylon and would be a quick target for athorities, hence him being stopped.

Moral of the story? No the existance of other roles for cylon models does not shoot down my theory. In order for them to be slipped into the staff of the galatica it would have to be prior to the attack (in many cases years), which is not very feasable becuase this would limit their useage of humionid models elsewhere in the colonies.

[deleriad]

I would vote for either Hadrian or Billy. I noticed that Hadrian turned up in the background in several episodes and is well placed. It would be overly confusing however - why have Boomer steal explosives when Hadrian could?

Billy though is more suspicious.
1) He is new to Roslin. He could have been assigned to Roslin either as a desperation measure when the Cylon's realise she's going to Galactica just as they are about to attack or he could be part of the Cylon god plan. (Get Roslin off planet and turn her into the new Moses figure).

2) Cylons seem very attracted to and attracted by humans. During the mini I thought the attraction between Billy and Dualla seemed to come out of nowhere. Perhaps Billy with his 70's sex-god disco hair and styling represents what the Cylon's think human females find attractive. There's more than one way to make Cylon babies. And of course, RDM loves to foreshadow.

3) He is forever giving Roslin water just before she hallucinates. Whatever's in the water may be scripting Roslin's visions.

4) The Cylons may have a general principle of placing models of the opposite sex close to important people. Billy is the kind of unthreatening, goofy boyish man that a powerful woman would easily understimate.

All in all, I think Billy is my favourite candidate.

[Brazedowl]

deleriad said:

I would vote for either Hadrian or Billy. I noticed that Hadrian turned up in the background in several episodes and is well placed. It would be overly confusing however - why have Boomer steal explosives when Hadrian could?

Billy though is more suspicious.
1) He is new to Roslin. He could have been assigned to Roslin either as a desperation measure when the Cylon's realise she's going to Galactica just as they are about to attack or he could be part of the Cylon god plan. (Get Roslin off planet and turn her into the new Moses figure).

2) Cylons seem very attracted to and attracted by humans. During the mini I thought the attraction between Billy and Dualla seemed to come out of nowhere. Perhaps Billy with his 70's sex-god disco hair and styling represents what the Cylon's think human females find attractive. There's more than one way to make Cylon babies. And of course, RDM loves to foreshadow.

3) He is forever giving Roslin water just before she hallucinates. Whatever's in the water may be scripting Roslin's visions.

4) The Cylons may have a general principle of placing models of the opposite sex close to important people. Billy is the kind of unthreatening, goofy boyish man that a powerful woman would easily understimate.

All in all, I think Billy is my favourite candidate.

THANK YOU!!

I mentioned this earlyer in this post but it seemed to go unnoticed.

[MHall]

3) (Billy) is forever giving Roslin water just before she hallucinates. Whatever's in the water may be scripting Roslin's visions.

The waterboy! It rings true to me that there is a link between Billy and the hallucinations, because now that you mention it, it's rather odd that he brings her water. Is this really true that the water usually precedes the hallucinations?

However, even if the water is causing Roslin's visions, does this imply Billy is a Cylon? BSG is not Star Trek. It is unlikely that Cylons have hallucination-inducing nanites. It also does not seem "Cylon style" if they are giving Roslin normal hallucinagens, which would induce Roslin into having random hallucinations.

But if Billy is not a Cylon, but is spiking Roslin's water, then what? He can't be a religious radical, trying to make Roslin "see the light" via hallicinagens, because he has been verbally opposed to Roslin's religious revelations. Could Billy be one of Zarek's men? Could he be trying to either hamper Roslin's mental abilities or slowly poison her to death, to allow Zarek to take power? Could the poison be interacting with the kamala extract to produce powerful hallucinations? Or is this level of hallucinations normal for kamala extract?

[ReverendJ]

I'm going have to go with my orginal theroy that Adama is 'currently' a cylon and the real Adama got replaced around episode 9. I think Lt. Gaeta figured it out and handed Boomer the gun and gave her some sort of signal (Gaeta shook with this right hand but Boomer's left arm moved) Also Boomer got the 'Oh Sh*t" look on her face right after he congradulated her.

But on the other hand I can see how Gaeta would be a top canidate too. He did figure out the cylon devices, plot the jump to Kobol, and possibly gave Boomer the gun. It'd be funny if no one was a cylon and Boomer was just shooting Adama because she's programed to ;D

[deleriad]

MHall said:

The waterboy! It rings true to me that there is a link between Billy and the hallucinations, because now that you mention it, it's rather odd that he brings her water. Is this really true that the water usually precedes the hallucinations?

I haven't been able to go through all the episodes and check but I did notice in Six Degrees that Roslin is talking on the phone to Baltar, Billy brings her water, she collapses almost immediately and Billy then accidentally broadcasts what is going on all over the fleet.

I'm not sure what to think about nanite technology because Trek has abused it so much that it has become a real cliche however it clearly is just around the corner in current Earth technology and there is reason to suspect that the Cylons are capable of manipulation at that level. Flesh and Blood has shown that Cylons can communicate in some manner akin to telepathy and Leboen claims to be able to 'fortell' the future.

It is the case in the mini-series that 6 meets with someone who is late and then there's a cut to Roslin. A classic bit of misdirection. If we look at the obvious 'trick' then we miss what's happening right next to it.

My suspicion is that Billy is an unactivated clone and is not aware that he is doping Roslin. My theory would be that the cylons put him next to Roslin in a hurry when it became obvious that she would be off-planet when the attack occurred and they needed an agent just in case. So Billy has put some emergency 'chips' in the water (Baltar presumably got a much more sophisticated set of chips over a period of time also via fluid transfer...) and the Cylons are using highly compressed, very narrow bandwidth transmissions to monkey with the effects that the kamalla is having on her.

My other theory is that RDM has seeded several possible cylons on the basis that he couldn't guarantee what and who he would have available for season 2. Based on the needs of the script I suspect that almost anyone could be a cylon if required.

[WilliamHuskerAdama]

Oh well I guess knowing that Commander Adama is my favorite Charater and I think he's not a Cylon and Leoben spoke lies all the time a mean who could live through two Cylon wars and live to tell it like William Adama I mean there can be other proves that he could never be a cylon :

1 . He lived through 2 cylon wars

2. he married and had 2 children

3. he gets physically tired and we see it

but that's my opinion I guess the thing is I may lose a bet and he is a Cylon or I win and he's not a cylon but to me He's not a cylon nor will he ever be a cylon because of his age being 61 .


WHA

[MHall]

Flesh and Blood has shown that Cylons can communicate in some manner akin to telepathy...

I'm not sure to what you are referring. But yes, it's called "Wi-Fi" to a Cylon Apple Airport (tm) (like the one found on the DRADIS console), which then provides an FTL uplink to a Cylon Basestation (tm).

It is the case in the mini-series that 6 meets with someone who is late and then there's a cut to Roslin. A classic bit of misdirection. If we look at the obvious 'trick' then we miss what's happening right next to it.

Well, first Roslin is at the doctor's office while the Firefly class vessel Serenity passes by, then there are a bunch of other scenes, then they cut from "It's about time you got here" to a classic Cylon in the Galactica museum, then to some more Galactica scenery I think, and then to Billy saying "Secretary Roslin" and Roslin answering "Yes?", I think on Colonial Heavy 798 (Colonial One.) This is such a subtle hint that Roslin is a Cylon that I think it's either unintentional or sincere, but not deliberately misleading. It's a little annoying, though, if Roslin is the one whom Six is meeting, because really she should have already boarded Colonial Heavy 798 a while before that. I mean, there is no clue that there is a big jump in time there, which would be necessary if Roslin was meeting Six on Caprica in one scene and then up in space in almost the next scene.

My other theory is that RDM has seeded several possible cylons on the basis that he couldn't guarantee what and who he would have available for season 2.

Certainly this is true. Some fans talk about "writing a character out" by having them be revealed as a Cylon. But of course, instead, being a Cylon guarantees "immortality" for the character, er model, and nearly so for the actor. If a Cylon-ambiguous actor demands too much money or just quits, then poof, he is a human, and dies in an unfortunate accident. A Cylon cannot be killed off the show.

But I think it's more than just RDM hedging his bets. I think season two will be overflowing with all sorts of two-faced people who have seemed sweet but who suddenly do Cylon-ish things and yet are not Cylons. First I think Lt. Gaeta and Roslin will turn out to be responsible for the assassination attempt on Commander Adama, yet won't be Cylons. Then in the course of their being found innocent of the charge of "Cylon," it will look for sure like Commander Adama is a Cylon, but he too will be cleared (or the real one will be found.) I really would not be surprised if we don't see a single new humanoid Cylon revealed in season two, while getting many false alarms. It would send a strong message to the audience, both about the show and our own society.

On the other hand, it's hard to get into the details and intrigue of Cylon society using only 1/3 of the total models, and I do hope that is a direction the show will take in season two or three.

[MHall]

Regarding Lt. Gaeta, as much as I'd like there to be a tricky way that he is not a Cylon, is there any other way to explain these facts?

1. In Ep. 8, Leoben said, quite confidently, that the fleet would find Kobol. (How can he be so confident unless a Cylon is plotting the exploratory jumps?)

2. Lt. Gaeta was the one who plotted the jump for Boomer's Raptor to the planet that turned out to be Kobol, and the writers went out of their way to have Boomer point this out.