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Post by MHall on Jan 28, 2005 8:45:59 GMT -5
Oh my. That is so dramatic and so delightfully ambiguous (is she a Cylon or just Lady MacBeth?) Adama will be under very tight security, so she must be subtle. Perhaps Ellen and Tigh will go visit Adama, who is still unconscious, and she could slip something into the IV solution when Tigh is not looking. Ironically, it may be only people "who tested to be human" who are allowed into Adama's hospital room. Ellen was the first to pass the test officially (with Boomer being probably off the record.)
I think you guys are on the right track... command chaos. Commander Adama is unconscious, Tigh becomes intoxicated and unconscious and relieved of command by the doctor, Apollo may be third in command but he is in the brig with a charge of mutiny, president Roslin is in the brig, and vice president Baltar is MIA. So now, Lt. Gaeta is in command of both the military and the civilian government? Is he really fourth in command? Meanwhile, Tom Zarek claims the title of "acting president," on the grounds that he tied Baltar for votes, except for Roslin's tie-breaker. Zarek launches attacks against the military, with some help from military defectors who think Lt. Gaeta is a Cylon after reviewing the tapes of Adama's shooting. Zarek is branded a "terrorist" by the military. There are parallels with the Iraq war - taking over the government is easy - handling the resulting mess is impossible.
Boomer is in the brig too. Her execution, ordered by Tigh, is stayed by acting Commander Gaeta. How many brig cells do they have? They could have some fun if others have to go in the same cell as Boomer. I think the idea of Boxey springing Boomer from the brig is something that could happen, but I can't imagine how to do it without it seeming stupid.
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Post by MHall on Jan 28, 2005 18:32:35 GMT -5
Uh, Big Brother, historical documents.
Your idea might work, but would the average American understand, or would they think "Why and how is the Galactica time travelling?!"
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Post by MHall on Jan 28, 2005 8:00:55 GMT -5
Note that they won't run out of alcohol. The nuggets have built a still to make alcohol, and Tyrol is going to show them how to do it properly. No doubt there are dozens of such stills already in operation throughout the fleet. And no doubt Ellen is on a first-name basis with most of the still operators.
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Post by MHall on Mar 21, 2005 7:39:52 GMT -5
Regarding Lt. Gaeta, as much as I'd like there to be a tricky way that he is not a Cylon, is there any other way to explain these facts? 1. In Ep. 8, Leoben said, quite confidently, that the fleet would find Kobol. (How can he be so confident unless a Cylon is plotting the exploratory jumps?) 2. Lt. Gaeta was the one who plotted the jump for Boomer's Raptor to the planet that turned out to be Kobol, and the writers went out of their way to have Boomer point this out. To answer myself, yes, there is a way to get Gaeta out of this. If "Adama is a Cylon," then he could have directed the fleet to the general proximity of Kobol. Then it's Gaeta's duty to direct the exploration of ALL solar systems within raptor jump distance. There is other evidence against Gaeta, of course.
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Post by MHall on Mar 1, 2005 16:08:03 GMT -5
Leoben details Starbuck's past to her in episode 8, Flesh and Bone. Starbuck was raised by her mother, whose philosophy was that suffering makes you stronger, so she made Starbuck suffer. I don't remember what happened to her father... dead I think.
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Post by MHall on Mar 1, 2005 14:11:32 GMT -5
Regarding Lt. Gaeta, as much as I'd like there to be a tricky way that he is not a Cylon, is there any other way to explain these facts?
1. In Ep. 8, Leoben said, quite confidently, that the fleet would find Kobol. (How can he be so confident unless a Cylon is plotting the exploratory jumps?)
2. Lt. Gaeta was the one who plotted the jump for Boomer's Raptor to the planet that turned out to be Kobol, and the writers went out of their way to have Boomer point this out.
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Post by MHall on Feb 26, 2005 12:13:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure to what you are referring. But yes, it's called "Wi-Fi" to a Cylon Apple Airport (tm) (like the one found on the DRADIS console), which then provides an FTL uplink to a Cylon Basestation (tm).
Well, first Roslin is at the doctor's office while the Firefly class vessel Serenity passes by, then there are a bunch of other scenes, then they cut from "It's about time you got here" to a classic Cylon in the Galactica museum, then to some more Galactica scenery I think, and then to Billy saying "Secretary Roslin" and Roslin answering "Yes?", I think on Colonial Heavy 798 (Colonial One.) This is such a subtle hint that Roslin is a Cylon that I think it's either unintentional or sincere, but not deliberately misleading. It's a little annoying, though, if Roslin is the one whom Six is meeting, because really she should have already boarded Colonial Heavy 798 a while before that. I mean, there is no clue that there is a big jump in time there, which would be necessary if Roslin was meeting Six on Caprica in one scene and then up in space in almost the next scene.
Certainly this is true. Some fans talk about "writing a character out" by having them be revealed as a Cylon. But of course, instead, being a Cylon guarantees "immortality" for the character, er model, and nearly so for the actor. If a Cylon-ambiguous actor demands too much money or just quits, then poof, he is a human, and dies in an unfortunate accident. A Cylon cannot be killed off the show.
But I think it's more than just RDM hedging his bets. I think season two will be overflowing with all sorts of two-faced people who have seemed sweet but who suddenly do Cylon-ish things and yet are not Cylons. First I think Lt. Gaeta and Roslin will turn out to be responsible for the assassination attempt on Commander Adama, yet won't be Cylons. Then in the course of their being found innocent of the charge of "Cylon," it will look for sure like Commander Adama is a Cylon, but he too will be cleared (or the real one will be found.) I really would not be surprised if we don't see a single new humanoid Cylon revealed in season two, while getting many false alarms. It would send a strong message to the audience, both about the show and our own society.
On the other hand, it's hard to get into the details and intrigue of Cylon society using only 1/3 of the total models, and I do hope that is a direction the show will take in season two or three.
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Post by MHall on Feb 23, 2005 11:56:36 GMT -5
The waterboy! It rings true to me that there is a link between Billy and the hallucinations, because now that you mention it, it's rather odd that he brings her water. Is this really true that the water usually precedes the hallucinations?
However, even if the water is causing Roslin's visions, does this imply Billy is a Cylon? BSG is not Star Trek. It is unlikely that Cylons have hallucination-inducing nanites. It also does not seem "Cylon style" if they are giving Roslin normal hallucinagens, which would induce Roslin into having random hallucinations.
But if Billy is not a Cylon, but is spiking Roslin's water, then what? He can't be a religious radical, trying to make Roslin "see the light" via hallicinagens, because he has been verbally opposed to Roslin's religious revelations. Could Billy be one of Zarek's men? Could he be trying to either hamper Roslin's mental abilities or slowly poison her to death, to allow Zarek to take power? Could the poison be interacting with the kamala extract to produce powerful hallucinations? Or is this level of hallucinations normal for kamala extract?
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Post by MHall on Feb 12, 2005 16:34:37 GMT -5
Brazedowl, see if this shoots down your theory. Red-dressed Six from the mini-series was trained for infiltration/diplomacy/sabotage. Red-dressed Doral was trained for infiltration/diplomacy/sabotage. However, black-dressed Six in episode 12 (or 13?) and also in episode 4 (or 5 or 6) was for trained for combat. There are other examples like this.
In my opinion, it is not the model, but the training that decided a Cylon's role in the attack. It might help if you think of them as human beings, with some extra circuitry. They are adaptable, trainable.
Also, I think it's totally reasonable that several more Cylons could be in the Galactica crew, if the Cylon plan all along was to have Galactica and its rag-tag fleet run for Kobol and Earth.
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Post by MHall on Feb 12, 2005 12:10:45 GMT -5
Wasn't Husker Du a board game? Yes, actually the band took the name from a game.
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Post by MHall on Feb 10, 2005 5:07:24 GMT -5
I'm just glad that Commander Adama is not a cylon If Commander Adama were a Cylon, and the Cylons felt Boomer's cover was about to be blown anyway, why wouldn't the Cylons order Boomer to shoot Adama with two carefully placed (nonfatal) gut shots? That would tend to clear Adama of suspicion, so the Cylons might do it. I don't think Adama is a Cylon, but that's more because he is a dinosaur, who predates all humanoid Cylons. Also, Adama has not been under much suspicion lately. Hah, you don't even know who or what Husker Du is?! If you're old, then I feel cool. If you're young, then I feel old. It might make for some amusing scenes for her to be sexually aggressive towards Baltar, with Baltar stammering.
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Post by MHall on Feb 8, 2005 14:29:02 GMT -5
Weasly Lt. Gaeta is likely a subversive... but for who? The Cylons? Zarek? Or another subversive group only hinted at so far (which I speculate is religious radicals)? Are the Cylons too obvious a choice for Gaeta's hidden loyalty? We've basically been handed Gaeta's head on a Cylon platter, but episodes 12 and 13 surprised me so much that I am hesitant to go with the obvious Lt. Gaeta as a season two Cylon. Am I outguessing myself?
My first choice would be Boxey, but you didn't give me an "other" choice. If Boxey is a young Doral, he needs to blow his cover soon... he's growing up fast, and he won't be convincing as a young Doral a few years from now. However, Boxey also needs a lot more screen time before he can be revealed as a Cylon... right now, who would care? His scenes keep winding up on the cutting room floor.
So I went with Kara "Starbuck" Thrace. I believe she is a Cylon, but if she is revealed, it won't be until very late in season two, at the earliest. Hell, they might even save it for a movie years from now.
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Post by MHall on Feb 7, 2005 9:46:44 GMT -5
8" floppies? You were fortunate. When I was a kid, we had to use cassette tapes. My first computer was a Commodore PET, with 8K and a cassette drive. I wanted an Apple, but price caused my Dad to choose the PET. Pity, since the Apple would have had a longer useful life.
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Post by MHall on Feb 27, 2005 7:56:12 GMT -5
Well, that website might order them: Communist, Socialist, Nationalist, Fascist, Liberal, Conservative.
(Liberal is a bit hard to place, because it depends on how liberal you mean. It could go left of Nationalist too. U.S. Democrat Kerry is near Republican George W. Bush on the chart on that website.)
I'm feeling kind of lonely at economic -0.38, authoritarian -4.51, far down in the middle in Libertarian central; my closest neighbor is the Dalai Lama, but he is more to the left. I did historically register as a member of the Libertarian Party in the U.S., but then I drifted away from this party. As the website points out, the American Libertarian Party is actually on the far right of the chart, near Friedman. I want some leftist things like good public schools and bans on smoking in some areas like commercial flights. Also, I want the Republicans out, which means choosing the less objectionable Democrats, though they look much the same from down here on the negative y-axis.
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Post by MHall on Feb 4, 2005 18:44:43 GMT -5
I think I read that Firefly was cancelled before its first episode was aired. But even if that's true, that doesn't tell me if it was cancelled before any of its episodes were aired, or rather if it was cancelled before "Serenity" was aired. "Serenity" should have been first, but was aired 11th by Fox. The article you quoted implied that "Serenity" wasn't aired in the U.S., but it was. Episodes 12-14 weren't aired in the U.S., at least not during the original run.
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