Same Sex Marriage!

[CylonGod]

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Vote and post your reason why (or not).
Be nice people

[CylonGodess]

I absolutely against it!!! Marriage is betwen a man and a woman (adam and eve ;D) . Honestly I don't think it's 'normal' . I'm sure a lot of you going to hate me for this but hey everyone can have their opinion and feeling right? Sorry if I offfend some of you nothing personal! As I don't hate the person I just don't like the 'thing'. That's all my opinion now....

[MarkusB]

Ohhh I know where this topic goes on other forums.....Depends on age group to


Personally don't have a problem with same sex union. Calling it marriage is kinda strange- from a -definition stand point. The whole benefits from the Gov't and being recognized as a couple ( legally) is fine to.

Now trying to make the Christian/Islamic/ Judea church embrace this is another story.

I really don't like having something shoved down my throat, especially when it represents a visible minority. Honestly IMO I think Gay couples would get a lot more leverage with the majority if they acknowledged that they were different and they were selling this idea to a majority. Forcing the issue to be "normal" when it's clearly not is a bad way to sell your point. If anything it just gets people even more uptight about the whole "acceptance: thing.Oh well, with this whole "politically correct BS" it's no wonder we can never call a spade a spade. I'm a Christian and I know what the "big guy" thinks of it... really it doesn't effect me. I'm not accountable for anyone else's actions but my own. On the other side of this coin. I don't think that I am better or have less short coming than them either. I am confident from a natural perspective that if this "anomaly" was meant to happen then I'm sure the human body would have undergone some evolution or be a little more accommodating to this lifestyle. If anything Nature has done the opposite. So it does make you wonder. I won't Judge, but this is the way I see it. I know gay people and I'm OK with them. My taylor is gay..... which works out quite well. We men have no idea how to properly dress ourselves. Especially with these new styles..... matching striped shirts with striped ties.... Good lord!I never knew you could mix blues and greens.... Pink is suposed to be in to but you'll have to knock me out before I show up to work in that.

[ReverendJ]

Coming from the backwards state of Massachusetts, we already have it, and I can tell you the effect it has had on our community....none. Nothing is different, no one is 'rubbing it our faces' and it hasn't been shoved down my throat. My relationship with my girlfriend hasn't been affected in any way, shape or form. The state hasn't burned in unholy fire (though we did get alot of snow this year) The divorce rate hasn't gone up, nothing has happened. The way I look at it, if your marriage is being threatend by a pair of 70-year-old lesbians getting married, obviously you've got deeper issues to contend with.

Just my 2 cents.

[Blade Runner]

Why the hell not? ;D ;D

[Ziptie]

There needs to be something that allows same sex couples the legal status and protection of marriage.

Whether it's actually called marriage is a slightly less significant issue, but on the face of it I can't see why there should be a need to think of another name.

As for all that Adam and Eve stuff, well, that's a bit divisive in itself. Next thing you know they'll be teaching schoolkids that God really did create the Earth in six days...

[lollywit]

Ziptie - for once I agree with you.

I know many gay men and women (theatre you know darling), they love their partners just as much as any hetero - and in some cases more - it is utterly stupid that the law doesn't recognise their rights as human beings to exist how they want to with whom they want to.

How can we as humans in the 21st century STILL be so bloody hung up on stuff like this.

Grrrrr

[Ziptie]

lollywit said:

Ziptie - for once I agree with you.

Must have taken some doing!

I know many gay men and women (theatre you know darling),

Ah, that explains it. I was wondering where they'd all gone, as there's only one gay in my village.

it is utterly stupid that the law doesn't recognise their rights as human beings to exist how they want to with whom they want to.

Quite. Trouble is that homophobia is still far too entrenched in society.

How can we as humans in the 21st century STILL be so bloody hung up on stuff like this.

Well yes. After all, if we took all that "Adam and Eve" stuff literally, all you womenfolk could be thought of as little more than spare ribs. Which wouldn't be fair, you're nowhere near that tasty!

[lollywit]

Ziptie said:

Well yes. After all, if we took all that "Adam and Eve" stuff literally, all you womenfolk could be thought of as little more than spare ribs. Which wouldn't be fair, you're nowhere near that tasty!

Oh dear... and there I was thinking there might be common ground between us and you and say that!

[CylonGodess]

Ziptie said:

As for all that Adam and Eve stuff, well, that's a bit divisive in itself. Next thing you know they'll be teaching schoolkids that God really did create the Earth in six days...

;D Geee I thought it is what they teach? Or not I don't know here though, you don't get any religion at scholl right? It is interesting that all this stuff always manage to get in debate. But I respect what other belive as I assume that they will respect what I believe that my friend including the women coming from spare rib ;D. Am I homophobia cause I against it? I don't think I am cause as I said I don't hate the person I also know quite a few of them actually and friend with them but still in my opinion and believe marriage should just between man and woman. It doesn't matter on what year or time we are. Geeee I hope you all not hate me more though ;D. Any other opinion or I'm the only minority here???

[lollywit]

CylonGodess said:

Geeee I hope you all not hate me more though ;D.

I don't hate you at all Cylongoddess (and please forgive me if I gave that impression).

I totally believe in everyone following their own paths and reaching their own conclusions about life and the meaning of (whether they agree with me or not).

I just see the pain that my friends go through because the law doesn't recognise them as "proper" couples and it irks me that this happens.

[Jackezifez]

I voted yes, but honestly my opinion is that it shouldn't be the concern of anyone except those who love each other...

[Crashdown]

MarkusB said:

I'm a Christian and I know what the "big guy" thinks of it... really it doesn't effect me.

Okay, let me preface this by saying that as a whole, I don't have a problem with the Christian faith, but to say that the bible is the word of God (I assume this is where you're coming from when you say you know what He thinks of it) is at the best, extremely naive. Even if they did have direct contact with him, the book was written by humans and if man kind could comprehend the whole of God's plan, I'd be surprised. Toss in a number of edits and rewrites that make the current version of Star Wars Episode IV look like they never changed it and you see we're getting pretty far away from what God intended, so I'd say it's not necessarily all that reliable.

But how about we take a closer look at Leviticus, anyway? Leviticus, along with Exodus, Numbers and Deuteronomy contain the law, a law which is to be taken as a whole. Jesus himself claimed "It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law." (Luke 16:17), so, yeah, it all has to be obeyed.

How's about we take a look at what it says, shall we?

Leviticus 19:27 Do not clip your hair at the temples, nor trim the edges of your beard.

That’s right, if you’re going to condemn homosexuality in God’s name, you best have big old sideburns and a full beard.

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

And in a similar vein, Deuteronomy 22:11 says that "You shall not wear combined fibers, wool and linen together"

No combined fibers, huh? Gee, I certainly hope there's no polyester in your wardrobe.

Let's not forget that Genesis 38:24 tells us that whores should be burned to death. Heck, the amount of sins punishable by burning is just about ridiculous.

Oh and in case you missed the earlier point, at the end of Leviticus 19, we finish with "Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: I [am] the LORD." That's right, kiddies, no picking and choosing which laws you follow, just to back up any sentiment against homosexuality or homosexual marriage, because that would be hypocrisy and in God's eyes, it's the same as not obeying any of his laws with the added bonus of explicitly breaking Leviticus 19:17 "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him."

Finally, the whole Sodom and Gomorra thing. If you condemn homosexuality based on the tale of Sodom and Gomorra, I suggest you go back and actually read the thing instead of just leaping to conclusions. Homosexuality was not the beef with the place that got it wasted. The sin displayed in this story is the sin of homosexual (gang) rape, possessive lust, and sexual abuse. Ezekiel 16:49 tells us ""This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy."

So, yeah, as far as I'm concerned, the bible is pretty much worthless as far as this argument is concerned. And no, I don't think that the bible is worthless, I just think that some of the laws need re-evaluating. Clearly some of them have been left to fall by the wayside, so I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to the matter of homosexuality.

Right, as far as my opinions on the matter go, I think it's kind of obvious. I'm totally pro homosexual marriage. At the end of the day, I reckon it's as simple as a matter of equality. I honestly don't see why homosexual couples shouldn't be afforded the same rights as heterosexual couples.

[ladyrheena]

Wow, go Crashdown. Speaking as a Christian (I think perhaps of the kind that others would call 'liberal' whatever the frak that means) that's one impressive set of quotations and reasoning. Kudos!

I voted yes to the poll question. Because, well, if all people are people and people want to marry people, what's the issue, people? ;D

[Harvester]

I don't care who gets married. Churches should not be forced by the state to perform ceremonies though. Freedom works for both equally in my opinion.