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Post by MHall on Mar 11, 2005 19:06:43 GMT -5
SPOILERS for episodes 1 through 10.
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Let's crack this mystery once and for all. What is the deal with Helo and Sharon?
My hypothesis: Helo is a sleeper Cylon, Crashdown is a Cylon agent, Caprica Sharon and Galactica Sharon are "good," Caprica Sharon is the Sharon from the mini-series, and Helo is not the father of her baby. The Cylons have the ability to create mental copies of an individual Cylon, and stick them in new bodies.
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Post by MHall on Mar 11, 2005 19:07:59 GMT -5
Here is the detail on my hypothesis. Again SPOILERS for episodes 1-10.
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In the mini-series, Helo gives up his seat for Baltar, and stays on Caprica. Sharon flies off with Baltar. Tyrol and Sharon have sex. Sharon becomes pregnant (or already was.)
Sharon didn't like Crashdown right from the start (episode 1):
Tyrol: A little rough on the new E.C.O. Don't you think?
Sharon: He's not my E.C.O. He's some refugee from Triton that I've been saddled with, and I didn't ask you.
I believe that "between" episode 1 and 2 (actually late in episode 1), when launching for a scouting mission, Crashdown drugged Sharon and flew her to a basestar, where a copy was made. He took the copy back to Galactica, where she awoke, wet and confused. The original Sharon awoke on Caprica under Cylon guard, equally confused. This Sharon is pregnant with Tyrol's baby.
On Galactica...
Cally - Oh, excuse me, lieutenant ?
Sharon - Specialist, good evening.
Cally- Sir ?
Sharon- Is something wrong ?
Cally- No, sir, it's just... morning, sir.
Sharon- What time is it ?
Cally- 05:45.
Copy-Sharon's body clock is 10 hours off, because of the time necessary for the copying and replacement. From the dialog in episode 2, we know that the events in episode 1 (aside from the last Caprica scene) took place 2 days earlier.
There is no such thing as "Cylon mode." Both these sleeper Sharons are good girls. Crashdown or other Cylon agents did the sabotage and mindgames on Galactica Sharon, as part of an experiment to see how much evidence it takes to convince a Cylon who thinks she is human that she is actually a Cylon. (This is related to the Cylon Plan to forget they are Cylons.)
Six: Are you alive?
Helo: Agathon, Carl C. Lieutenant Junior Grade, Colonial Fleet, P.K. 789934...
Six: I know who you are, Helo. It's all right, I'm a friend.
[She kisses him and a gunshot is heard. Six has been shot in the back and "dies". Sharon runs up to Helo.]
Helo: Sharon? What are you doing here?
Sharon: Can you walk?
Helo: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think so. What are you doing here?
Sharon1: Just move, mister.
[As they walk away another Six appears flanked by a Cylon, and they just watch the "humans" go.]
The "Are you alive?" routine may have been to keep sleeper Helo thinking he is human, but just as likely it was a sincere question. The Cylons hope that if they forget they are Cylons, then they will be alive. So who better to ask than a Cylon who thinks he is a human?
(Gasp. That means Boxey's Daddy...)
It may have taken weeks for the Cylons to break and reeducate pregnant Sharon and turn her to the dark side (probably threatening to kill Tyrol and Helo if she fails to cooperate.) In that case, they had a third Sharon, an already broken previous copy perhaps, to keep Helo occupied. When pregnant Sharon was ready, they made the switch. This was at the end of episode 5, knocking out Helo in the restaurant, and then pregnant Sharon gets beaten up by Six to make it look good and dragged off by a toaster to be rescued by Helo. (By the way, Helo sees some pigeons fly, which clues him into her location, and the dove is a symbol of Aphrodite, and pigeons are just doves on cheetos.)
However, switching Sharon was not the main point there. The main point was to knock out Helo, so a copy of his mental state could be made. Then they would rerun the experiment dozens and dozens of times, starting with a fresh copy each time. They need to vary parameters, and they need statistically significant samples. They want to learn... What percentage of the time does Helo go north versus south? How often can a nonsleeper Sharon keep him in the dark versus a sleeper? How often will Helo fall in love with Sharon? Is he more likely to spare Sharon if she is pregnant? And so on.
Back in the fleet, Copy-Sharon saw the explosive in her Raptor in episode 2, while flying with Crashdown, and then she was nearly sure Crashdown could not be trusted. Sharon saw the water contact on her screen, and she was very worried because Crashdown did not see it (but should have on his screen too), so she lied at first. She called for another sweep, and still Crashdown saw nothing (and we don't see his screen this time), which confirmed her worst fear. She was scared to say it, fearing what Crashdown might do, but finally she said "positive contact!" She was relieved when Crashdown appeared happy and didn't blow them up. I know this is not how we are supposed to interpret the scene, but maybe it's the truth.
In Hand of God...
Helo: It's odd isn't it?
Sharon: What?
Helo: That we haven't seen a single living human being since when you shot one and rescued me.
Maybe humans cannot survive on Caprica now. But Cylons can. Helo and Sharon can.
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Post by MHall on Mar 11, 2005 19:34:11 GMT -5
And then I'm breaking this into a separate post, since it is a SPOILER for episode 12... (highlight to reveal)
Sharon: You know I do get cold. (pause) There's some things you should know, Helo.
Helo: Don't... call me that. (pause) You're not even Sharon. You're not even human! So don't start acting like you know me, because you don't!
Sharon: But I am Sharon, and that's part of what you need to understand.
So, Caprica Sharon knows Helo. Although she could be a copy, her pregnancy and her statement suggest that she is Sharon - the one we knew from the mini-series and (probably) part of episode 1.
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Post by colbylew123 on Mar 14, 2005 16:03:25 GMT -5
Personallly I think that Caprica Sharon deserves her own name not sure what it should be yet. Any suggestions?  |
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Post by MHall on Mar 14, 2005 17:43:35 GMT -5
Personallly I think that Caprica Sharon deserves her own name not sure what it should be yet. Any suggestions? No. One Caprica Sharon is identical to one Galactica Sharon. I mean, one is an identical copy of the other made "between" episodes 1 and 2. They are both Sharon from the mini-series. However, other "Sharons" are not Sharon. That is, they never grew up on Troy or served on Galactica before the middle of the season. But both those other Sharons did. So, I was a bit confused in my long post above, but I finally cracked the mystery. It all makes sense now. Doesn't it? |
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Post by colbylew123 on Mar 15, 2005 14:21:56 GMT -5
No. Just as confused as before. But that's a natural state of mind for me  |
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Post by colbylew123 on Mar 15, 2005 15:30:07 GMT -5
I was thinking because the C-Sharon and G-Sharon may meet up somewhere in the 2 season. It would be good to distinguish in some way other than the pregnancy. It's almost as if C-Sharon becomes more human and G-sharon is becoming more cylon by the minute. Maybe I'm just tired of typing C-Sharon and G-Sharon.  No. One Caprica Sharon is identical to one Galactica Sharon. I mean, one is an identical copy of the other made "between" episodes 1 and 2. They are both Sharon from the mini-series. However, other "Sharons" are not Sharon. That is, they never grew up on Troy or served on Galactica before the middle of the season. But both those other Sharons did. So, I was a bit confused in my long post above, but I finally cracked the mystery. It all makes sense now. Doesn't it? |
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Post by MHall on Mar 15, 2005 21:24:28 GMT -5
They are both pregnant, with identical twins, one each. (Seriously, that's my best guess.)
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Post by DJenser on Mar 15, 2005 22:28:44 GMT -5
They are both pregnant, with identical twins, one each. (Seriously, that's my best guess.) Ep 12 spoiler below: So it wasn't Cylon Programming that made G-Sharon shoot herself in the face, but rather it was hormones? ...This show's even more twisted than I thought.... |
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Post by MHall on Mar 16, 2005 0:11:02 GMT -5
The following is just a theory, so it's not a spoiler, but it's true... At the end of episode 11, Sharon is happy as can be. At the start of episode 12, this is not the case. This is not the same Sharon as was in episodes 8-11. Episode 12 Sharon is restored backup copy of the Sharon from the end of episode 7. So this Sharon had a total blackout of episodes 8-11, because she did not exist yet, plus more blackouts before. Spoiler for episode 12:
20% of those who shoot themselves in suicide attempts survive.
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Post by Mordraken on Mar 16, 2005 14:29:13 GMT -5
Very creative However... in the last episode (in Canada anyway - we may be one behind the US... the one about the drunk Col's reunification with his wife) - Helo is ...what's the word... outperformed? by Sharon. Helo is winded and almost passes out while Sharon is going strong. She blames it on adrenaline, but it's apparent that the Cylon copies are extra strong... and it appears that Helo isn't. It certainly is an interesting story though... |
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Post by DJenser on Mar 16, 2005 15:18:58 GMT -5
The following is just a theory, so it's not a spoiler, but it's true... At the end of episode 11, Sharon is happy as can be. At the start of episode 12, this is not the case. This is not the same Sharon as was in episodes 8-11. Episode 12 Sharon is restored backup copy of the Sharon from the end of episode 7. So this Sharon had a total blackout of episodes 8-11, because she did not exist yet, plus more blackouts before. Does this make anyone else besides me dizzy? |
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Post by MHall on Mar 16, 2005 15:31:21 GMT -5
Helo's lack of endurance, while still being a "Cylon," is explained by my theory. There are two possibilities:
1) Helo is an original human, so he lacks the spinal silica strand implants, which in "Cylons" do nothing more than excrete adrenaline when they detect stress chemicals, glow when they detect sex chemicals, excrete neurochemicals when they detect radiation, and encode an ID tag. However, there are copies of Helo running around with these implants, even though they too are human, so Helo is one of the 12 models.
2) Helo believes he is a Cylon, and he is just acting like a dumb human for Sharon, when in fact he is actually a dumb human. Sharon, on the other hand, is a human whom the "Cylons" are trying to convince is a Cylon. They gave her the implants if she didn't already have them, and now they are seeing if she can be trusted yet. Apparently not. But no problem, Helo is there to keep an eye on her and make sure she doesn't escape.
I lean much more towards the first theory, but it's hard to say with these tricky "Cylons."
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Post by colbylew123 on Mar 16, 2005 16:04:50 GMT -5
Does this make anyone else besides me dizzy? Nope I'm just as dizzy as u |
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Post by MHall on Mar 16, 2005 16:41:31 GMT -5
Spoiler for episode 12: (comment on what I said before, but it is a SPOILER!)
I wrote:
"20% of those who shoot themselves in suicide attempts survive."
I just happened to think... what if Sharon succeeded in killing herself? Could the Cylons have taken the body and replaced her with another Sharon, complete cheek wound? Yes, of course, they could have. This makes even me dizzy.
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