Re-communication

[Mustex]

O.k., if I understand the Cylon religion correctly, they believe that God took all the souls of humanity, and gave them to the Cylons instead. The logical follow-up to this with their holy war would have been to nuke the colonies until all the humans were dead. But instead they used nukes to destroy all resistance, and then OCCUPIED the world. This hints to me that they might not think we're beyond all hope.

Here's my thought, since they've sort of ex-communicated us, it is possible they have a doctrine for re-communication. Maybe that's why Six told Baltar about the Olympic carrier, and why only one Basestar was coming after them. They Cylons would hence believe that the humans that die are the ones God wants to die, but for this to be true SOME have to survive.

My money's on Baltar being the first to be "re-communicated," and I bet they'll have a really cool ceremony too.

[ladyrheena]

Mustex said:

O.k., if I understand the Cylon religion correctly, they believe that God took all the souls of humanity, and gave them to the Cylons instead. The logical follow-up to this with their holy war would have been to nuke the colonies until all the humans were dead. But instead they used nukes to destroy all resistance, and then OCCUPIED the world. This hints to me that they might not think we're beyond all hope.

The recommunication theory is possible, certainly where Baltar is concerned (considering what Six keeps telling him about being the instrument of god blah-dee-blah). But as to the occupation of the planets...would it be anything like the Kobol thing?

Humans see Kobol as the birthplace of their race so (although admittedly they probably wouldn't nuke it ) would probably quite like to live there. Since the Colonies were technically the birthplace of the Cylon race they might view them in a similar way and after removing their "unclean" imperfect creators want to take up residence. In the mini Six does say that 'humanity's children are coming HOME' which would imply that the Cylons want to take back the twelve worlds for themselves.

Now I'm going to stop being serious because I have a hilarious mental image of Six chasing Helo through the streets of Caprica shouting 'unclean, unclean, infidel!' at the top of her voice... ;D

[Mustex]

Good point.

[zinfab]

of course, if all the rhetoric b/w "inner 6" and Baltar is only IN HIS HEAD, then the cylons' real motive becomes more difficult to figure out.

[Mustex]

zinfab said:

of course, if all the rhetoric b/w "inner 6" and Baltar is only IN HIS HEAD, then the cylons' real motive becomes more difficult to figure out.

Yeah, but I think that would be a cop-out.

[ladyrheena]

zinfab said:

of course, if all the rhetoric b/w "inner 6" and Baltar is only IN HIS HEAD, then the cylons' real motive becomes more difficult to figure out.

Definitely a cop-out. And the way they're tossing plot information about with Baltar's personal version of Six, just having her a figment of his imagination seems to be pushing it a little IMO.

[Big Brother]

ladyrheena said:

Definitely a cop-out. And the way they're tossing plot information about with Baltar's personal version of Six, just having her a figment of his imagination seems to be pushing it a little IMO.

I have yet to see (through Bastille day) inner-six say anything that couldn't reasonably be explained away as a hallucination by Baltar's insane brain.

Let's examine some of those things she's said...

1.) She keeps harping on about God. But real-six mentioned him before her death. Perhaps Baltar is flummoxed by her apparent willing self-sacrifice? Perhaps he's trying to reconcile the idea of a robot (who surely would be capable of airtight logic) who nevertheless seems to have an irrational belief in the supernatural, to the extent of being able to willingly die because of God's beliefs. There's a great scene in the last episode of Crusade where a crewman sacrifices his life to save Max Eilerson, and the ever-irascible Max struggles to comprehend how a rational person could lay down his life for someone as cynical and unpopular as himself. Maybe Baltar is having a similar crisis of conscience, and this so clashes with his main personality that it has driven him insane?

2.) Six points out things he had seen but not noticed, such as the device on the DRADIS console and its resemblance to her "personal organizer". Pscyhologists can tell you that dreams and such are often the way the subconscious notifies the conscious mind of things that were seen but not consciously noticed, and flashes of insight and inspiration are often the result of sudden conscious realizations of connections that the subconcious mind has already made. Her annoyance with Aaron Doral in the miniseries may be another such subconscious pickup of clues that led Baltar's mind to realize that Doral might be a Cylon agent much like Six proved to be.

3.) Six gives voice to the kind of nagging doubts and fears that subconscious minds tend to obsess on. Examples include their plight in 33 with the lack of sleep, and Baltar's fear that the pilots and such he depends on for his survival might fail in their duties due to exhaustion; and his fears about exposure by Dr. Amorak; his sudden gratitude at his deliverance when Amorak's ship goes missing, and the subsequent nagging doubt that the ship might return.

4.) When Six puts words into his mouth (shades of a scene in Fight Club) such as the demand for a nuclear warhead, it comes a few days after the first clear bit of Cylon sabotage, with Boomer's blasting of the water supply. Baltar, thinking Inner-Six is really a Cylon, may be fearful that she'd demand he commit such acts of sabotage, and thus would be fearful of being ordered to steal a nuke and blow up the Galactica (and thus doom himself, even if he's not on board at the time). Or perhaps his subconscious is working on how to design a Cylon Detector, and had figured out that bit about the plutonium and the radiation-emitter (assuming that works), and was worried they wouldn't give him the needed materials.

Can anyone think of a statement by Six that can't be explained away as messages to Baltar's conscious mind from his subconscious?

I'm not saying I believe that inner-six is merely a hallucination. I'm saying that I think the writers are consciously (pun intended) trying to create ambiguity, either because they themselves haven't decided which way to take this plotline, or because they want us to be kept guessing by a long line of red herrings.

[futureworldruler]

I agree that the writers are purposely leaving it open as to if the inner-six is really there. It leaves it open for them to go either way without the story breaking down. I personnally would like to see it turn out that she is just a figment of his super genius imagination, but I'll accept it either way.