Ep 12 - Kobol's Last Gleaming pt 1

[ernestborg9]

Crashdown said:

I'm posting this without reading anything else (anyone who's read my 'I hate this time' thread will understand why), so I apologise if I'm repeating anyone else, but for me, there were two big yays about what I saw of the episode.

Firstly; lots of Crashdown. There were like, multiple scenes of him without Boomer. Wacky fun.

Secondly; who found Kobol? That's right; Roslin didn't lead them there with her 12 vipers, Baltar didn't lead them there, it was Crashdown all the way. Guy's a big damn hero and I don't want any of y'all trying to give credit to the busdriver; Crash was the one that plotted the jump

Hate to rain on your parade: GAETA plotted the jump. Hence Boomer's calling him a "frakkin' idiot".

Crashdown was either enjoying the ride, or possibly prompted Gaeta to place their emergence zone as close to the planet as possible.

Also, they weren't looking for Kobol, they are on a routine flight looking for planets that may provide supplies of some description - hence, they go the jump that took them to Kobol by the luck of the draw.



Mean so-and-so, ain't I?

Of course, when I finally do see the end of it, or see next week's, I'll probably find out he died in the crash. [/quote]

Hope not. Now he's be re-written, Crashdown is a nice foil to have around.

[Helo]

Now to all the comments that people make that the cylons planned this from the beginning ......... Bullocks.

I agree I don't think they planned it like this for me yes they did just wanna wipe everybody out but as we have seen the cylons do believe in "god" whether thats the holy god or there leader calling itself god - who knows, but they do seem to be religous.

I believe perhaps in the fleet they were pursuing they began to see the prophecy come to light or it is possible they also wish to find earth to wipe it out

[ernestborg9]

MattLee said:

did you miss the bit where Loeboen specifically refers to himself as god?

He didn't mean it in the literal sense.

He is "god" in the sense that he is an "instrument of God's will" (the point - at the time of "Flesh and Bone" - Six is trying to get Baltar to reach / accept). He is performing a task ordained of him, as is Thrace ("to deliver him to God").

Born-again Christians believe that a part of God resides in them; this does not "make" the God. I think Conoy was attempting to use the same imagery.

[Mozza]

Basestar said:

Ref the edits - my understanding is that so far they weren't in the US airings either - eg the footage and the duration of the eps is the same UK to US.

There wont be any difference, we have the same advertising time per hour, I suspect that these will turn up on the DVDs as deleted scenes, they just got used in the previews (wasent there a helo on caprica scene that was in the preview but not in the show?) and recap.

Edit: What got me most excited was the little next week on battlestar, Epic!

[Crashdown]

ernestborg9 said:

Hate to rain on your parade: GAETA plotted the jump. Hence Boomer's calling him a "frakkin' idiot".

Crashdown was either enjoying the ride, or possibly prompted Gaeta to place their emergence zone as close to the planet as possible.

Also, they weren't looking for Kobol, they are on a routine flight looking for planets that may provide supplies of some description - hence, they go the jump that took them to Kobol by the luck of the draw.



Mean so-and-so, ain't I?

Of course, when I finally do see the end of it, or see next week's, I'll probably find out he died in the crash.

Hope not. Now he's be re-written, Crashdown is a nice foil to have around.
[/quote]

Ah, sorry, I misheard, I thought she called Crashdown an idiot. And I know they weren't looking for Kobol, but they still found it. I think Crashdown was pretty clearly enjoying the ride... because he's the man

And no, I still haven't seen the episode by some miraculous breakthrough, I'm just reading this thread very cautiously.

[ernestborg9]

redspine said:

I see mr 1 out of 5 has voted again. Sorry dude no way it was the best ep so far. Sour grapes I think.

I wonder if ol' Spidey has registered and the "1" votes are his "considered" input to the forums?

[MattLee]

He didn't mean it in the literal sense.

well obviously or he would have just turned that bucket of water into wine or something ;D but if the cylons think they're instruments of god and there are this whole bunch of prophecies lying about they might have thought ' well right, as instruments of god we have to make them come true then'.

Remember when they couldn't get the FTL on the raider to work then another raider turned up and obligingley gave them an extended demonstration of jumping about right where they could watch? handy that.

[zinfab]

man, oh man. where to start?

1. I'm with Crashdown about Crashdown on all counts! More Crashdown=better show as far as I'm concerned. If they can put six in half a yard of red fabric, why can't they do this with Crashdown, or Lee? *sighs*

2. I think the cylons wanted some to survive to play out this strange and sadistic game of theirs. While the plan isn't going EXACTLY as it was originally worked to do, most long-term plans are simple and adaptive. "Let some live, Let them find Kobol, Let them lead us to Earth."

3. I can easily see Roslin becoming a believer. I also think that most of these ideas are cylon-induced. She started having dreams and visions. These, I believe, are being transmitted to her by the cylons. They obviously have SOME sort of radio/telepathic communication. I think they can reach the minds of the willing (Baltar) or approachable (Roslin/kamala root).

4. I can't believe Starbuck slept with Baltar. Well, really, I can, b/c I know what kind of self-esteem would feed into that.

5. Who is going to conduct the cylon tests? Will it still take 11 hours? Will everyone still pass?

6. Will Baltar become President?

[MattLee]

How could they have planned for those exact ships to survive?

The Galactica was parked in a known location and has a distinctive appearance, Colonial one is a spaceliner of a known type travelling a line between the BG and Caprica, it has exterior markings to identify it. BG also had some kind of Cylon device onboard placed there by one of Roslyns staff, might there also have been one on Colonial 1? both ships have cylons onboard. The other ships of the fleet don't much matter.

How could they have planned for the Galactica to go to Ragnar Anchorage?

BG needs ammo, all other sources of ammo have been destroyed.

How could the cylons have planned for Starbucks viper to have an accident, have Starbuck survive it and fly back with the Raider?

They couldn't, had Starbuck died they would have tried some other way to deliver a raider and kept trying until they succeeded.
why did the raiders attack rather than fetch the entire cylon fleet?
how did a raider with its brains shot out land successfully on the moon rather than pancake in?
If Starbuck heads off in a random direction on an unihabited moon what are the odds she will find a spaceworthy ship?

Why didn't Sharon bomb the propulsion? Because she couldn't reach it!

Why didn't Sharon bomb the pilots ready rooms and leave BG defenceless? because she doesn't want to!

Why didn't Dorrall do it? Because he bumped into Tigh and Adama.

Dorralls alleged target was Baltars lab. Why use Dorall for that when Boomer is in a much better position to do it. Dorall was supposed to fail. No matter what the target is Boomer, being one of the crew, would have a better chance of reaching it then Dorrall who is a civilan. Boomer was already risking being discovered by helping Dorrall so why not do the whole job?

[ladyrheena]

zinfab said:

I'm with Crashdown about Crashdown on all counts! More Crashdown=better show as far as I'm concerned. If they can put six in half a yard of red fabric, why can't they do this with Crashdown, or Lee? *sighs*

I don't think Lee OR Crashdown would look particularly attractive in half a yard of red fabric in the same kind of way Six does.

Love love LOVED this ep. Needless to say. Cheered at the punching. Starbuck's had that coming for a while now. Never expected Apollo to hit her back, though. Looks like he's suddenly rediscovered testosterone. Although I do wish he'd make up his mind which Viper to fly. Mk II, Mk VII, Mk II, Mk VII...SORT IT OUT, BOY! But then maybe Tyrol wouldn't let him have the Mk II back after what he did to it in Hand of God.
Tyrol: "You flew it up a WHAT?"
Apollo: "Er...maybe a little bit..."
Tyrol: "Well guess what YOU ain't flying any more, buddy boy!"

Heheh. I think I've had too much sugar today. Heheh. ;D

[mjm800]

Very tight and tense episode the music in this episode was the best by far. I cannot wait until next week can't someone from Universal leak it….please.

[Apollo]

Woooooow that episode was GREAT, WONDERFUL, PERFECT.... have I already say GREAT ?

15 out of 5

The scene where the Cylon raider crashes into the Raptor was really cool CGI Work....

[unigolyn]

That was most excellent.

But I really hated that announcement - what the frack do you mean, the journey's almost at an end?! What do you mean, 'The Finale' of Battlestar Galactica?

DO NOT CANCEL THIS SHOW!

[zinfab]

ladyrheena said:

I don't think Lee OR Crashdown would look particularly attractive in half a yard of red fabric in the same kind of way Six does.

speak for yourself!!!

j/k, though they could figure SOMETHING out with little fabric. I give them props for "Lee in a towel." Though, even "Lee in a towel" had more material than Six does in ANY episode.

[MHall]

Oh my God! Could "Kobol's Last Gleaming part 1" be the best episode yet? Yes, I think so!

This episode had me crawling out of my skin with tension (no, Helo don't kill Boomer, she's the mother of..., no, Boomer don't kill yourself... aah, he did... aah, she did...), revulsion (no Starbuck, don't, aah too late!), relief (Helo and Boomer are both bad shots), surprise (unexpectedly, Starbuck delivers one of her trademark punches to Apollo, who is not only not KO'ed but is able and willing to punch her right back!), humor (I laughed repeatedly, even though it's all delivered so deadpan), anticipation ("part 2"), and amazement (this is the best TV series ever!)

It is the dawn of the third age of television. How fortunate we are to be alive in this glorious time on Earth. So say we all!

We are in the presence of genius. This television show will still be rewatched hundreds of years from now, as we do now still appreciate Melville's Moby Dick or Shakespeare's plays. So say we all!

Blessed be Sky One, which gambled on greatness. Blessed be the Sci-Fi Channel, which ensures greatness. But, uh, maybe it should move to NBC and HDTV for maximum ratings. So say we all!

Enough pom-pom waving for now.

You know, Six is very difficult. You can never know in advance when she is going to be approving or jealous if Baltar scores. But she did warn him, didn't she? She told him his body is free. She told him to put his faith in God, but his heart belongs to her. I didn't quite buy the Baltar-in-love-with-Starbuck thing. They could have set that up better. He just flirted with her a little before, then suddenly we find them in bed and him in love - and Starbuck in love too, but with Lee. I can buy that we don't see everything that happens, but you really need the audience to feel the love in order to believe it. Starbuck's love of Apollo was well enough foretold. And you know, the Starbuck-Apollo love ignition really had to go down like this, with Starbuck sleeping with someone else, before Apollo would admit he had any feelings.

earnstborg9 wrote:

That is probably the most cleverly-played element of this episode: the way all of the relationships built to date are turned on their heads:

Baltar and Six
Helo and Valerii (although this had to be anticipated)
Lee and Starbuck (leading nicely on from the problems they were having in "The Hand of God")
Roslin and Billy

What do you mean Roslin and Billy? Did I miss a bedroom scene? All I remember is this part:

Billy: So, like, whassup?
Roslin: Not now, Billy.
Billy: Wha-tever!

It appears more and more that the Cylons are pulling the strings. It's not that everything goes to plan. The Helo experiment had a major hiccup, for example. It's just that the Cylons have so many backup strings to pull that they still get their desired results overall. Did the Cylons deliver that raider into the hands of the Colonials? Well, maybe, maybe not, but if the Cylon plan was for the Colonials to have a raider, the Cylons would have accomplished it a different way if necessary. (Maybe the Cylons tried to slip the Colonials a second raider in episode 9, but the Colonials wouldn't bite on capturing the wounded bird.)

I think this may be the first episode where I laughed out loud. And I laughed repeatedly here, sometimes from comedy, and sometimes from sheer delight of the interpersonal messes - and sometimes from both as in Baltar's dual dialog to Roslin and Six. All this laughter was despite a pretty heavy overall theme and tension up the wazoo! I think they should keep this winning mixture, and skip the pure comedy episodes like #9.

I missed something. I didn't see Baltar on the raptor that was shot down over Kobol, but I'll take your word for it. Did he splatter the windshield? If not, who did? Who were the other passengers? Crashdown crashed down?

Rah, rah, one last pom-pom shake. Ooh, how about a captured updated chrome toaster Cylon, who is rewired/retrained like Benny the zombie in Dawn of the Dead, and Baltar makes him shake pom-poms in a demonstration with a party-pooping Adama looking on in disapproval?