Iblis Casting.

[kingfish]

My first choice would be Clancy Brown from carnivale. I am wondering if Carni will end after this season because the story is moving along at warp nine.

[Harvester]

Interesting question Kingfish. Would you really like to see TNS go this way, using another TOS plotline? Not sure how I feel about this one, myself. I guess due to the existing religious theme to TNS I'd be more receptive to this than a Pegasus story.
How about Ian McDiarmid? He'd make a good Iblis, if he wasn't already Emperor Palpatine.

[kingfish]

For Moore's Galactica to really succeed it needs to reach out to the original fanbase in some ways. Redoing some of the stories is one way. I think Larson patented the Pegasus universe so it may be dificult to do a LL story an Iblis story is another matter.

[prism700]

kingfish said:

For Moore's Galactica to really succeed it needs to reach out to the original fanbase in some ways. Redoing some of the stories is one way. I think Larson patented the Pegasus universe so it may be dificult to do a LL story an Iblis story is another matter.

Succeeded to who? In my eyes it already has - it is a success in its own right. Does Moore really need to reach out to the original fanbase? Even if he did go along the lines of casting a Count Iblis there would still be original fans expressing dissent. Just my two cents worth

[Harvester]

I've heard of the patent on LL somewhere before as well. It's not one of the stories I'd like Moore to go near anyway. I guess the Kobol's Last Gleaming two parter will kind of be a Lost Planet of the Gods remake of sorts. Like I had mentioned, I could see an Iblis type story working with the amount of emphasis on the Cylon religion to this point in the series.
As for 'reaching out' to the TOS fanbase, Moore has a tough task there. There are those that will never get past the 'grand reinvention of the genre' stuff but there are a lot of more moderate TOS fans that just want to see some of the things in this series that they loved about TOS. The moderate group really may be important in keeping this series going for more than just two seasons. How big do you really think the 'core TNS fanbase' is. There are a lot of people who will fall off from watching and drawing from a fanbase already involved with the franchise (for 27 years) is not a bad way to go. To this point TNS has been very dark, and well it should be after a holocaust, but maybe season 2 can bring more hope to the rag tag fleet. I'm not suggesting Hector and Vector, or triad, or making Boxey and a mechanical daggit focal points. I'm talking about getting some of the 'Brothers of Man' feel into the show.
There will be a group that hates everything Moore tries to do with this series. That's a given. But there's another part of that fandom that really wants this series to become something they can like. Reworking some of the TOS themes in an intelligent manner is a good way to go. There was a great line in the mini series that I'd like to see them build on.
"It's not enough to live, you have to have something to live for." That's what I'd like to see more of in season 2.

I'd be interested to see what Moore might do with an Iblis/BOL story.

[CylonGod]

I am in favor of a Count Iblis or even a type of Imperious leader character. I don't want to see the Pegasus story copied verbatum but a modified version (a different BS) with a not so functioning BattleStar that managed to escape the Cylons. Just my thoughts.

[koenigrules]

I think they should have Macnee play Iblis- not necessarily in the flesh, but as the voice of the Cylon God/Iblis.
KR
P.S. I also think they should lighten the mood a bit in Season 2: maybe a hologram named Al (no, been done before), a dog called Porthos (nope, that won't work), the Crying Man/Rembrandt Brown (naaa), an android named Rem (Run Logan Run!). Maybe they should keep the dark mood after all.

[MikeWright]

They can recreate the War of the Gods story anytime they want without having a Count Iblis or Beings of Light or anything like that, which is I'm sure what will happen. Hell, Star Trek did it in Devils Due.

Have faith. Ron will deliver. He always does.

[kingfish]

koenigrules said:

I think they should have Macnee play Iblis- not necessarily in the flesh, but as the voice of the Cylon God/Iblis.
KR
P.S. I also think they should lighten the mood a bit in Season 2: maybe a hologram named Al (no, been done before), a dog called Porthos (nope, that won't work), the Crying Man/Rembrandt Brown (naaa), an android named Rem (Run Logan Run!). Maybe they should keep the dark mood after all.

From what I read, DeSanto was going to have Macnee briefly in his project. Macnee is a bit frail these days as mentioned in the various Galacticon reports.

[ah-chie]

Considering that Macnee has only done a small handful of roles in the last 5 years (less than half a dozen) and the last time I saw him in a minor role on Frasier (in 2001) he looked like death on a cracker (and acted just about as well IMO) I really don't think he is a viable actor to consider for any substantial role.

As far as Moore doing more stories lifted from TOS to appeal to TOS fans - I really don't see that happening either. If moderate TOS fans haven't been convinced enough by the first season of stories to watch the new series and accept it for what it is, will another story line from TOS do it? I have my doubts and further more I really don't see any use in trying to attract fans like these by ratcheting up the TOS subject matter. You may very well run the risk of losing the other fans if you do this, that watch this show precisely because it *isn't* TOS.

I don't think the net gain would be worth it in the long run.

And besides - adding more TOS elements (or story lines) don't guarantee that the TOS hold-outs will appreciate the effort. If they have resisted what has been presented so far, they more in likely are going to react with an enormous "Eh... shrug" (or a "Eeek! There's that Moore ripping off TOS again!") attitude to additional TOS material in TNS. So it is a lose-lose proposition in that regard.

I think TNS should just find its own way and keep doing what they have been doing so well - creating their own stories and ocassionally paying homage to TOS in very inconspicuous ways that any TOS fans watching will immediately pick up on, but won't alienate the nonTOS fans that watch the new show.

[Roadrunner]

I agree with the notion that "remaking" more of the old episodes, or even bringing in more of the original cast members, won't serve any purpose toward luring the steadfast holdouts to give the new series a chance. By now, their minds are made up.

But... I can't help but think that RDM and the other writers will continue to find some amount of inspiration from some of the original stories. They are fans too, after all. For their own enjoyment, and for ours, I don't doubt they'll continue to toss in tidbits that only TOS fans will double-take on. (Perhaps a couple of the console computers in the CIC will be affectionately referred to by their operators as Hector and Vector for instance.)

RDM has previously voiced his interest in remaking "War of the Gods", but I'm certain if he does, it will be a very different rendition... just as "The Hand of God" was quite different from the original. And as was stated at the end of that episode, we can expect to see a conflict at the "Home of the Gods" so... maybe something is indeed in the works along this line.

[Kass]

I'm a big fan of the original show, but I thought Count Iblis was a terrible plotline. I truly hope they don't write him into the new show.

I truly like that while addressing religion in a thoughtful way, but bringing in a "magical" figure who can control minds and kill people with laser beams would undermine the quality of the show. I'm not even sure that a "stripped down" version of Ilis would work.

[darthyrox]

Well you figure that in this vast Universe, there's gotta be some Q-type, godlike good vs. evil beings out there. I think the reworking of "War Of The Gods", would add an interesting, new nemesis for both the humans & the Cylons. The humans may reject the Iblis character while the Cylons may worship him as God.

[Harvester]

If any 'Q-type beings' show up on this show I'm done with it. That goes for temporal anomalies as well. The favorite crutches of lazy Trek writers.
The absence of these things are something I really like about this show.

[RedEye]

I'm not against ripping off TOS for plots. There might be some good inspiration there.

But I don't want something as in your face as magical god-beings. Play out religion through allegory and metaphor...not actually doing it! I remember seeing Iblis in the original and not being all that impressed with it.