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Post by Alan on Dec 22, 2004 17:28:18 GMT -5
This doesn't seem likely, judging by Adama's reaction to the note. Speaking of Adama's reaction to the note, did you all notice that the first thing he did after finding the note was to lock his cabin door? Perhaps Adama is realizing his ship has been infiltrated...
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Post by Alan on Dec 17, 2004 20:57:09 GMT -5
Which is too bad, because I for one would have liked to hear about how having Hatch/Apollo be a cylon would have gone over better with TOSsers than having Starbuck be a girl. Now I'll probably NEVER understand it. Probably not. I've asked that question several times, and I sure as hell don't! There are some people that throw around the phrase "Singer/DeSanto" with the same reverence that people might use to discuss the coming of the Messiah, apparently ignoring the fact that the Singer/DeSanto script wasn't what they wanted either! In fact, Hatch and DeSanto were basically on opposite sides, with Hatch pushing a vision that (oddly enough) made Apollo the new Commander while DeSanto was pushing him right out of the show! They only became allies of convenience when Ron Moore got the green light and went in a third direction.
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Post by Alan on Dec 16, 2004 22:28:08 GMT -5
Very funny that Tom DeSanto managed to update the story for both age groups. He also managed to keep the characters intact. How exactly did DeSanto "keep the characters intact"? The DeSanto version made Apollo into a Cylon! Richard Hatch would have appeared for only a few seconds at the end of the pilot episode, with a Cylon red-eye effect. This is one of the reasons that Richard Hatch didn't like the DeSanto script, and it graphically demonstrates the other poster's point that it's difficult to please everybody regardless how carefully you recreate a show like BSG. If you think people were upset about a female Starbuck, just imagine what the fandom would have done with a Cylon Apollo who barely even appeared in the show! From an interview with Richard Hatch:Q: "The DeSanto/Singer version of Battlestar Galactica planned for you to return as a captive servant of the Cylons. How did you feel about this drastic change for the Apollo character?" Richard Hatch: "When I learned about this, my first reaction was that I didn't really see a continuing role in this production for me. This was very different than I had thought Apollo would come back. I thought, "Me, a Cylon". Then I thought that, as an actor, it could be a really interesting and challenging role, but where would it go from there; where would this character go after this pilot? At most, I saw that I'd be playing an extended guest star role, at least at first. After being a key actor in the original series, this didn't make me feel very wanted. I know that they had some plans for the character to progress and have an increasing impact on the series, but what if the series didn't get sold. I wouldn't even be in the pilot except for a "Red Eye" cameo. It just seemed pretty unfair and left me feeling that they just wanted to use me in some dramatic way that served only a temporary use, but they didn't really want me included in the series as a continuing regular."
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Post by Alan on Dec 16, 2004 20:07:52 GMT -5
The only chance Nu Galactica has is if NBC places the series in it's lineup. I'm curious. Why do you think that BSG can't survive broadcasting on SFC and Sky One?
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Post by Alan on Dec 15, 2004 20:03:59 GMT -5
I still think you all have to watch my smilie, go on , just for a laugh Holy crud, the banana discoes! He MOONWALKS!! rofl, BladeRunner!
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Post by Alan on Dec 15, 2004 19:56:52 GMT -5
True enuff, modified the topic; but still... Yes indeed! Ordering scripts is much better news than NOT ordering scripts ;D
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Post by Alan on Dec 15, 2004 19:53:35 GMT -5
Exactly right. I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but Hollywood generates HUGE numbers of scripts that never get filmed. Scripts are cheap, episodes are expensive.
SFC is just hedging their bets.
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Post by Alan on Dec 15, 2004 19:54:35 GMT -5
You actually read those books? Awww, c'mon, cut me some slack... I was ELEVEN!
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Post by Alan on Dec 15, 2004 19:29:02 GMT -5
Let me just say that i would be fine with starting a canon from TNS and just forgetting TOS, BSG80 and even the movie (remember, Baltar dies in the movie). Baltar dies in the TOS novelization, too. I always thought it would be cool if they had put bolts in the side of his neck for all subsequent episodes, just like Frankenstein! ;D "It's much easier to insert a chip in his brain if you remove the entire head first..."
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Post by Alan on Dec 13, 2004 5:00:19 GMT -5
Well I must applaud your enthusiasm but seriously, it's not going to work. TOS and TNS have different[/i] histories! In TOS, the Cylons were created by a race of reptillian aliens. No matter how you dodge and weave you can't combine TOS ("built by reptiles") with TNS ("built by humans"). Besides, your theory requires that twelve entire planets full of humans be destroyed TWICE. Also note that your theory (putting TOS in the future of TNS) doesn't work so well, given that we've already seen TOS chrome-toaster cylons and TOS base stars in the TNS museum exhibit. The new series is retelling the story of BSG. You are taking two different versions of the same story and trying to make them BOTH true, which is entertaining in a train-wreck sort of way but just isn't what the producers are intending. It's like trying to make the 1965 Lost in Space and the 1998 Lost in Space both be true, even though they both include the story of the Jupiter 2's initial launch and resulting disasters that happen to both the Robinson family and the viewing audience. ;D
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Post by Alan on Dec 12, 2004 23:41:17 GMT -5
Has anybody thought about putting together a BSG Canon? Has it already been started? Or can it be done because of TOS and all the sex changes that have taken place since then? The sex changes are only the beginning. There are too many other differences for a unified TOS/TNS canon to ever be done. The history is different. In TOS the Cylon War had raged for a thousand years, and the Galactica herself was 500 years old. In TNS, the First Cylon War started about fifty years ago, lasted only ten years, and the Galactica was built during that war. The technology is different. In TNS they do instantaneous "hyper-light" point-to-point FTL jumps. In TOS they have a very confused galactic topography but clearly don't have a jump-based system. The enemies are different. In TOS, the Cylons are the purely mechanical constructs of a long-dead alien civilization. In TNS, the Cylons are humanity's own recent (and partially biological!) creations, motivated in part by a mysterious religion. The galaxy is different. In TOS, the galaxy is full of habitable planets and widely populated with human settlements. In TNS, the galaxy is a "desolate place" in which even water is rare (!) and they have yet to see a single outpost of ANY kind of life. Given the extensive differences, you're going to need two different canons; one for TOS/G80 and a separate one for TNS.
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Post by Alan on Dec 12, 2004 17:48:09 GMT -5
Hey Callipygian? Let me just mention that your avatar is not what I expected, given your username... ;D
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Post by Alan on Dec 11, 2004 4:31:51 GMT -5
Kind of like when you're reading a really great book and someone else comes up to you and says, "Did you get to the part where they kill the main character yet?" "No, but I got to the part where they beat the blabbermouth senseless!" ;D
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Post by Alan on Dec 9, 2004 13:50:50 GMT -5
Maybe it needs to be shown they are willing to give up there own existence, rather like suicide bombers. I wouldn't mind that, but they died for nothing! Even suicide bombers need an objective. This scene reminded me of Monty Python's Life of Brian, when he's nailed to the cross and the "suicide squad" comes marching up. On the command, they all stab themselves and collapse, leaving everyone totally perplexed as to WHY. If the Cylons were going to send three suicide agents onto the station, then there should have been something there for them to accomplish besides just smoochies with an old man.
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Post by Alan on Dec 9, 2004 13:34:14 GMT -5
I need to see the mini again before I watch the series, but I guess that's not going to be a problem since NBC is going to air it, and Scifi will probably show it again before the series debuts. Supposedly the NBC version will be three hours instead of four. What do you guys think they will cut? Seems like it would be hard to remove a full hour of material without damaging it pretty badly. If I could cut one thing from the mini, it would be the portions of the opening scene in which Six encounters the Liason Officer on Armistice Station. That scene makes no sense. Why would the Cylons send three of their agents onto a station they were about to blow up? What did they gain? If I could rewrite that scene, it would still have the docking sequence, the word overlays (to give the backstory), and the scenes of the Liason Officer sitting at his desk looking over the papers. So far, so good. However then instead of Six arriving, they should have just had some piece of equipment sound an alert tone, the Liason Officer looks at it and does a double-take, like he can't believe what he's seeing on the screen. Then switch to an external shot with the base ship arriving and launching a missile. The Liason Officer overcomes his shock and grabs for his communication equipment. He takes the microphone, punches a button or two, and begins shouting a warning about the attack... just as the communication screen flashes up a "SYSTEM FAILURE" message. He stares at it in horror, then the camera flashes back to the external view as the missile hits the station and blows it into smithereens. Simple, clean, and makes more sense! "Who cares whether you think you're alive? Buhbye!"
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