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Zak
Nov 24, 2004 17:38:46 GMT -5
Post by Alan on Nov 24, 2004 17:38:46 GMT -5
Problem there. Certain story points require that this be before the Cylons can create convincing human look-a-likes. Then your story may have a problem. Remember that Number Six and Baltar were sleeping together for two years before the destruction of the colonies. Also Boomer is a rookie aboard Galactica, but since she's an officer we can assume she attended some kind of Fleet Academy prior to coming on board. Here on Earth, the military service academies are full universities. If the Colonial Fleet Academy is the same, then it's possible the bio-Cylons have been infiltrating for five or six years already. Do we know how long ago Zak Adama died? To judge from the appearance of the characters in the "Act of Contrition" flashback scenes, it couldn't be too long ago...
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Zak
Nov 24, 2004 2:55:16 GMT -5
Post by Alan on Nov 24, 2004 2:55:16 GMT -5
Well, I guess sabotage would work better, but they didn't have any interest in Zak specifically. They just needed a Colonial in general. Plus, they needed to get him isolated where they could scan his brain. Well, we already know that the Cylons prefer humans who are capable of feeling love. Perhaps the Cylons selected Zak Adama for their plan because he was in love with Starbuck! They grabbed him and brain-scanned him. Then they covered their tracks by tinkering with his brain to make him crash and stuffing him back into his Viper. This also allows you to do a creepy prologue to your fanfic. In the prologue, you show Starbuck and Zak together on the base, laughing and having a good time. Finally Zak tells her that he has to leave early, because is scheduled for a flight physical before he goes on duty later. Unknown to them, they are being observed by a mysterious blonde woman...
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Zak
Nov 23, 2004 3:42:33 GMT -5
Post by Alan on Nov 23, 2004 3:42:33 GMT -5
Maybe "survived" wasn't the right word. I know he's dead. Well, let me give away some story details the way I was planning them: It just looked like an accident. The Cylons snuck some agents back into the colony, who shot him down. Then, before anyone else could reach him, they got to the Viper and scanned the memories from his dead brain into a computer. Why does his brain have to be scanned after the flight accident? If the Cylons already had a reason to be interested in Zak Adama (which must be true, if they're bothering to shoot him down ) then why not have them scan his brain before the accident? In fact, perhaps the "accident" was actually sabotage! That would be much safer for the Cylons (i.e. much harder to detect) than shooting him down.
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Zak
Nov 22, 2004 6:34:55 GMT -5
Post by Alan on Nov 22, 2004 6:34:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that his death was described as a "flight accident" at some point.
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Post by Alan on Nov 30, 2004 5:29:07 GMT -5
Heh, always count on a Marine corporal to do the right thing. Did his nametag say Hicks? You know, since there seem to be SO MANY CYLONS running around, I think we should dust off and nuke the fleet from orbit. It's the only way to be sure! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Alan on Nov 26, 2004 2:42:26 GMT -5
And the possiblity of creating a human/cylon hybrid, with a soul Leoben Conoy thinks that Cylons already have souls... but he's not sure about humans! ;D
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Post by Alan on Nov 24, 2004 18:46:21 GMT -5
After thinking about it, I am leaning towards the notion that Roslin was traveling with some of the press core when the Cylon attack happened. Doh! Of course you're right. They were originally aboard Galactica for the decommissioning ceremony. That story would certainly have been covered by the media, especially Caprican news services. Some of those reporters would have been aboard Roslin's ship. Good catch!
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Post by Alan on Nov 24, 2004 17:51:11 GMT -5
Anybody else find is a little weird that there was a room full of journalists when the Prez made her announcement about the humanoid cylons? Actually YES, it's a little weird. A modern city of 47K people would probably have just one small newspaper. The idea that a community of that size would have multiple competing news programs is a bit strange. So here's a theory: perhaps the President intentionally encouraged the creation of multiple news networks, and recruited lots of newsies to staff them? This has several advantages: (1) There is presumably massive stress within the fleet as people worry about their future. Giving them happy propaganda ("Galactica defeats another batch of Cylon pursuers! Interviews with our brave defenders will be broadcast at 11...") would certainly help. (2) It will help bind their 62 remaining ships into a single political community. People will be aware of stuff happening throughout the fleet, rather than just on their own ship. (3) It creates employment and entertainment. A lot of people will be out of work, and the last thing Roslin needs is the Devil finding work for all those idle hands. Presumably all the ships are equipped for information flow and video, so if she can get people doing news and entertainment programs, she can fill idle hours for both the producers and the consumers. (4) It creates a sense of normalcy. Seeing the President on TV holding news conferences in front of a dozen reports will look normal to the viewers, which may be reassuring.
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Post by Alan on Nov 24, 2004 2:48:14 GMT -5
I think he kinda knew allready he just loves her to much to beleive it hopefully we'll see something more between them (she being more carefull - him looking at her every move) this should get very good. At some point, Chief Tyrol needs to do something about Boomer! Honestly, he has more than enough information now to make any reasonable person very suspicious. The ship has already been endangered by Cylon infiltration four times ("33", "Litmus", and twice in "Water"). How long can Tyrol fool himself??
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Post by Alan on Nov 23, 2004 2:09:10 GMT -5
Well we knew that eventually the roof would fall in on Boomer and Tyrol... wowie! Still, a lot of interesting stuff happened back in the Caprican storyline, too. After viewing the episode, here are my thoughts, conveniently presented in a totally random order. (1) Adama kept his own security chief in the dark about the Cylons' appearance and capabilities. Um... wasn't that a mistake? (2) It seems unlikely that Socinus (the guy who ended up in the brig for Tyrol's mistake) had access to the explosives back in the episode "Water". Adama and Sgt. Hadrian should still be looking for a Cylon aboard the ship, right? (3) Now that they have "outed" any remaining Doral or Leoben Conoy clones within the fleet (by broadcasting their appearance) they should expect that any remaining clones will act immediately to destroy what they can. Are they ready? (4) Speaking of Sgt. Hadrian (the security chief), Adama just arrested her! Won't that make it harder to establish new security protocols to protect the Galactica in the face of the new threat? (5) Was the Doral-Cylon really heading for Baltar's lab? If so, then it would seem like he wanted Baltar's cylon detector (or Baltar himself) destroyed. Inner-Six on the other hand clearly wants the cylon detector to be completed. That suggests that Inner-Six is working in opposition to the other Cylons. Is that evidence that she's only a delusion, and not a chip at all? (6) Adama should have listened to the President! When it comes to political stuff, she seems to know the ropes. She trusts him on the military stuff, perhaps he should start trusting her on the politics? (7) This whole thing could have gotten really ugly. It all depended on the decision of the grunt standing at the doorway behind Adama! What if he had made the other decision? Yipe! The Galactica's command structure could have started unraveling. (8) Tyrol now has enough information to suspect Boomer. He knows about the missing detonators, and the water tank, and the explosives in the Raptor, and her lapses of memory, and the open hatch which allowed the Doral-Cylon to enter the ship. Furthermore, and has seen (firsthand!) the dangers of trying too hard to protect her. What's his breaking point? How much longer will it take - how much more stuff needs to happen - before Tyrol will finally do his duty and report Boomer? (9) Did Boomer actually leave the hatch open that allowed the Cylon bomber into the ship? If so, does she know that she did? If not, then who? (10) Meanwhile back on Caprica... Interesting stuff! So now it's clear that Valerii is working directly with Six and Doral to trick Helo. But what's their objective? (11) Doral says that Helo will be killed at once if he strikes out alone, without returning to search for Valerii. When it looks like he's going to do that, Six tells Valerii that she has "failed" because Helo doesn't love her. So Valerii's mission (at least at this point) is to make Helo love her. For what purpose? (12) Does this have anything to do with Inner-Six's comment to Baltar that "God is love"? (13) It looks as though this whole sequence (including the previous episode) was a test! Valerii and Helo were separated solely to determine whether Helo would try to save her. But what was being tested? Was it Helo's emotional attachment, or his capacity for love, or Valerii's ability to instill love? (14) If LOVE is step one of their test... then what's step two?? (15) FAVORITE LINE: "you wouldn't like me when I'm angry..." ;D If Inner-Six turns green and muscles pop out everywhere, I'm outta here!
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Post by Alan on Dec 7, 2004 22:51:33 GMT -5
it wouldn't seem too bright of the Cylon personality (or however it works) to leave it where she was going to find it while acting out her human persona. Good point! Here's an idea: we know that Boomer's two personalities (human and Cylon) are starting to struggle. In particular, there is the scene later in this same episode where the Cylon personality wants to conceal the results of the water scan while the human personality wants to report it. The human personality wins, and then the Cylon personality tries to blow up the ship, and fails again. The human personality is rising into ascendance, perhaps? So let's consider that opening scene again. I think the Cylon personality's plan was to have everything neatened up before the human personality ever woke up! The human personality wasn't supposed to be dripping wet, with a bag of clothes and a towel and some detonators. Rather, the Cylon personality planned to dry off, change clothes, hide the detonators, and then allow the human personality to wake up from a "nap" or something. Instead, the human personality got control too early, and learned a bunch of stuff that she wasn't supposed to know.
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Post by Alan on Dec 14, 2004 23:20:42 GMT -5
I was a huge Babylon 5 fan and also very impressed with its creator (JMS), but in my humble opinion Crusade deserved to be cancelled. The opening credit sequence alone - full of pseudo-medieval stuff - is enough to demonstrate that JMS was trying to go the wrong direction. The techno-mage might as well have been named "Merlin", and the starship itself actually was named "Excalibur". The plots were mediocre at best, the characters weren't particularly engaging, and the overall story arc was a bit silly. Of the cast, Daniel Dae Kim and David Brooks were both pretty good but Peter Woodward did some damage and... c'mon, GARY COLE as the captain? He's not a bad actor generally, but he just doesn't project much command presence.
I was very enthusiastic for the first episode, and strongly biased in favor of anything spun off from B5, but the show was quite disappointing IMHO. Not half as good as the original.
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Post by Alan on Dec 9, 2004 13:10:58 GMT -5
i was thinking the same thing but my friend who got me into the mini keeps brushing it aside. i'm glad to see someone else has posed that question besides me. Let's also consider that Ragnar-Boomer might have been in command of that particular task force. The phrase "by your command" was not reserved for the Imperious Leader back in TOS, but was used to local area commanders as well. It really just means "yes, sir". The episode "Flesh and Bone" made it clear that Caprica-Boomer is not in command of the group on Caprica; she was being given direct orders by Six and Doral.
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Post by Alan on Dec 7, 2004 22:42:58 GMT -5
have the new models even said anything? The new-series mechanical Cylons don't seem to talk. "Maybe they're just shy?"
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Post by Alan on Dec 15, 2004 19:05:04 GMT -5
It's certainly good news, but SFC is still hedging their bets. They ordered only six scripts (rather than a half season or a full season) and of course, scripts are much cheaper than actual episodes.
January's numbers will still be critical, but this is good info in any case. Thanks KR!
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