Nothing but the rain....

[ViperPilotMomma]

martok2112 said:

TThis little scenario seems to have gotten a favorable response at Colonial Fleets as well. I am near prompted to write up a fanfic of Kara's backstory.

Martok,
I read your scenario, too, and quite enjoyed it. You have a flair for writing . I would be very interested to read what you have in mind for Kara's backstory. I'm thinking of wandering over to your other sites when I get the chance to see what else you've 'inked' (I have company coming tonite for the next couple of days, so it will have to be after that!)


VPM

[Daliden]

martok2112 said:

I am inclined to agree with you CaseOrange that the dialogue they had at the beginning of the mini suggests that there was something they experienced together.

Or perhaps when Starbuck was in officer training and flight school, Adama may have been her flight instructor. There may have been an incident during training where Adama may have had to carry out some minor punitive action on Starbuck. (Perhaps something like what we saw in "An Officer and a Gentleman"). Starbuck may have been close to the breaking point during this punitive exercise, in the hard rain.

I can actually envision this.

*Snip piece of fanfic*

Well, in an "Act of Contrition" flashback we get pretty convincing evidence that Adama first met Starbuck when she was already acting as Zak's flight instructor. Most likely she also had her callsign by then. (I would actually have to check -- it might even be so that he met her only after Zak's death.)

Personally, I also don't think that the wordplay resulted from a scenario like you described. Sorry One of the downsides it has is that wraps too many things into one -- the origin of the callsign, the origin of the wordplay and the origin of their relationship. You "lose" two chances for good drama by putting them all together ;D

[viper8547]

I think its a great piece of fanfiction! I have a historical piece that a friend of mine and I are in the process of writing out, RP style. We're trying to stick with what we've learned from the series, and we're having a blast with it. When it is done I will post it up somewhere, so long as you are all in the mood for a long read... its at 118 pages so far, and we still have seven years of history to cover!

Writing history can be fun for the characters, and I would be very interested tos ee anything that people have written in regards to that.

[martok2112]

Daliden said:

*Snip piece of fanfic*

Well, in an "Act of Contrition" flashback we get pretty convincing evidence that Adama first met Starbuck when she was already acting as Zak's flight instructor. Most likely she also had her callsign by then. (I would actually have to check -- it might even be so that he met her only after Zak's death.)

Personally, I also don't think that the wordplay resulted from a scenario like you described. Sorry One of the downsides it has is that wraps too many things into one -- the origin of the callsign, the origin of the wordplay and the origin of their relationship. You "lose" two chances for good drama by putting them all together ;D

That is true, Daliden. It almost makes it too easy, doesn't it?

And that is something that the new Galactica is kinda dead set against, resolving things TOO quickly. A nice observation.

Thank you for your honesty. You present some very valid points.

Thank you, everyone who responded to it, whether good or bad. That is what constructive criticism is all about, and I appreciate it.

Respectfully, and most humbly,
Martok2112

[Daliden]

I think you should explore the relationship between Col. Tigh and Starbuck . . . there's gotta be something rattling in that particular closet!

[ladyrheena]

Martok2112, that rocked! I have nothing else to say, being considerably less eloquent than most, but THAT ROCKED! ;D ;D ;D

[martok2112]

Daliden said:

I think you should explore the relationship between Col. Tigh and Starbuck . . . there's gotta be something rattling in that particular closet!

Actually, i was considering that if I flesh this out into a full backstory. Good idea.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[martok2112]

ladyrheena said:

Martok2112, that rocked! I have nothing else to say, being considerably less eloquent than most, but THAT ROCKED! ;D ;D ;D

Thank you, ladyrheena.

Appreciatively, and humbly,
Martok2112

[Conundrum]

martok2112 said:

Thanks for all the kind words, Case. Made my night.

This little scenario seems to have gotten a favorable response at Colonial Fleets as well. I am near prompted to write up a fanfic of Kara's backstory.

And all because of a cool thread that got started here called "Nothing but the rain."

Respectfully and with great appreciation,
Martok2112

[MikeWright]

I just listened to the commentary on the mini and at the end of the final battle they talk about the "Nothing but the rain" reference. Ron Moore admits it doesn't actually mean anything... It's thought to be a "jody," a marching chant of sorts, that the writer placed at the beginning and end to give that scene a little more meaning.

[martok2112]

MikeW said:

I just listened to the commentary on the mini and at the end of the final battle they talk about the "Nothing but the rain" reference. Ron Moore admits it doesn't actually mean anything... It's thought to be a "jody," a marching chant of sorts, that the writer placed at the beginning and end to give that scene a little more meaning.

Yeah. I remember hearing that on the commentary too...something from a potential Jody call.

But, if it means nothing...well...it means nothing.

Personally, I like giving it some kinda meaning

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[mattw65]

martok2112 said:

But, if it means nothing...well...it means nothing.

Personally, I like giving it some kinda meaning

Respectfully,
Martok2112

We all need meaning in our lives, and I have to agree with Martok2112.

I loved the backstory BTW, great work.

Matt

[caseOrange]

i can agree with Daliden that it might be too much rolled up into one scene, although the thought didn't cross my mind while i was reading it.

i think the picture you painted was what caught me most. Now if it's true what MikeW posted, that it doesn't really mean anything, then it still leaves most of the storyline wide open.

Also, i think the idea of exploring the Starbuck-Tigh relationship is a good one. All that anger between those two--there's got to be something in their past that's really nasty!

[martok2112]

Yep...sinde Tigh already seemed to know the answer to the question he asked her :

"When did you get that nickname? Was it before you were thrown in the brig as a cadet for drunk and disorderly, or after?"


"After."

"That's right, it was--after."



Now...that suggests a few things. He said she was a cadet...which could mean that perhaps she was thrown in the brig during OCS...and not FCS (as my scenario depicted.) Although, in my scenario, she might have been a commissioned officer (having graduated Officer Candidate School) , but for purposes of training she could still have been referred to as a "flight cadet" (during Flight Candidate School).

It also suggests that perhaps somehow he had some involvement in the process. (Perhaps he was on the tribunal/court that sentenced her to brig time, and he was a strict, by the book officer who believed in seeing "the right punishment for the right crime.") Or perhaps he had witnessed her shenanigans when she was drunk and disorderly on the night in question. Perhaps she had affronted or embarrassed him personally in some way during the incident.


"How's the wife?" she asks him in the card game on Galactica.

Hmmm....did Kara know Tigh's wife? Did she know Mrs. Tigh a little bit better than Col. Tigh would've expected and liked?

Lots of room for backstory speculation here.
Thank you EVERYONE for your kind words, and indeed for yout constructive criticisms in this.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[Daliden]

martok2112 said:

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Perhaps she had affronted or embarrassed him personally in some way during the incident.

"How's the wife?" she asks him in the card game on Galactica.

Hmmm....did Kara know Tigh's wife? Did she know Mrs. Tigh a little bit better than Col. Tigh would've expected and liked?

Lots of room for backstory speculation here.
Thank you EVERYONE for your kind words, and indeed for yout constructive criticisms in this.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

Hmmmm! If it were not for that pesky Zak, we could imagine all kinds of things from when Kara hugged the President

That *would* seriously piss Colonel Tigh off . . .