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Post by Westy on Feb 21, 2005 15:14:13 GMT -5
Unlike the new fans of BSG, I'd LOVE to see how the TOS Pegasus story arc get re-imagined. TNS re-imagined TOS, and Pegasus is part of TOS, so why not re-imagine that too? I think it's a bit too late to let each go their own way....TNS was built on top of TOS, and way too many elements were brought over to claim it's some kind of new original material. Bring back Cain and the Pegasus!
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Post by Blade Runner on Feb 21, 2005 15:27:49 GMT -5
Whoever the Commander is, Adama won't trust anyone on that ship.
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Post by frakkingnuts on Feb 21, 2005 16:26:40 GMT -5
"Whoever the Commander is, Adama won't trust anyone on that ship."
Imagine Adama falling romantically for an equal (the female Commander of the Pegasus)... he believes that she isn't a Cylon... until they get intimate and he sees in the mirror her spine glowing!
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Post by WilliamHuskerAdama on Feb 21, 2005 17:56:02 GMT -5
Or the female Commander of the Pegasus could be just a 61 year old human he gets intimite with but sotimes they fight like him and Roslin but they kiss and makeup again .   Just a thought IMO . WHA |
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Post by 1987SilverOak on Mar 27, 2005 22:36:58 GMT -5
I do look forward to the idea of the Pegasus returning. The Living Legend was one of the few great TOS episodes.
1987SilverOak
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Post by Idi-Amean-Dada on Mar 28, 2005 0:15:47 GMT -5
Let me chime in as one who would love to see a Pegasus-ish story, but one that does not necessarily include a "legendary commander". Also, instead of being called "living Legend", the episode is called "Dividing Line."
My thoughts are that the Galactica and the Pegasus bump into each other (kindof like what happened in TOS). We find out that the Pegasus was "lost" during the first cylon war due to some type of malfunction (or manipulation) of either its FTL drive or its navigation system during an FTL jump (no temporal anomolies, no wormholes, no omnipotent beings). It is now populated with not only the decendants of the original crew, but also with "toaster" type cylons, also from the first war.
The toasters are there because they had boarded the Pegasus during the battle. They may or may not have been the cause of the malfunction.
The decendants are an undisciplined lot, having given up on military protocals long ago. They are lead/controlled by a young, charismatic leader whose last name would be Cain. This person would be the son/daughter of the original commander.
The Cylons are seperated from the colonials and control one of the landing bays, part of the midsection, and the engineering section, which has been converted to suit their uses. They have created a "mini-collective" inside the Pegasus as the distance they were out severed their connection to the main group. The colonials and the cylons on the ship have a passive-agressive relationship. They hate each other, but need each other. The cylons cannot get home without the colonials because they are in overall control of the ship. The colonials cannot get home without the cylons because they control whether the ship can actually move as they have modified the engines to an extent that the colonials can no longer repair them without the cylons.
The episode would center around the fact that the cylons have, unbeknownst to the colonials, reestablished their link to the cylon "collective" and have secretly been modifying Pegasus so that they can now disconnect their portions of the Pegasus, and independantly control it. This would effectively strand and ultimatly kill the colonials on board. However, in the long absence, some of the toasters have developed relationships with the colonials, and begin to openly question their own programing, and the goals of the present cylon collective.
Cain commands an almost religious fanatacism with much of the Pegasus crew. Adama (who idolozed Cain's father) will, of course, try to bring him and the crew in line. Cain does not beleive that the colonies have been destroyed, and insists that they continue on their way. However, some portion of the Pegasus crew beleive Adama, and want to join the fleet.
In the climax, there is a mutiny on both sides of the line inside the Pegasus. On the colonial side, the Adama supporters and the Cain supporters fight to a stalemate. On the Cylon side, the collective wins and begins their seperation sequence. Many colonials are killed in the seperation through decompression, but most are saved after they are able to close the internal airlocks. The cylons are now free to complete their new objective. Not to escape back to cylon space, but to ram the Galactica and destroy it. The day is saved by nuclear missles from the Pegasus bridge section, as after seperation, the Adama supporters have gained the upper hand. Now the Galactica has a fresh, albeit undisciplined bunch of new crewmates, but also more vipers, and the suppies and the crew to finally refit the starboard launch bay and get it operation again.
This is an excellent opportunily to introduce the Sheba character as part of the growing love fest between Lee/Kara/Gias. Who will she pick. Is she maybe a cylon as well?
Thoughts, comments?
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Post by 1987SilverOak on Mar 28, 2005 16:24:15 GMT -5
Not Bad,
There are so many cool directions to go with the Pegasus storyline. I would love to add Sheba in some way, I liked the character in the original show.
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Post by Soulmage on Mar 29, 2005 15:15:49 GMT -5
No offense intended but, for the love of god please no "separating the saucer section" on BSG!
I also don't buy the "long ago abandoned military protocols" idea. Can you imagine how long a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier would remain operational without strictly enforced discipline? Tight quarters, limited resources, poor living conditions, isolation, complicated equipment? You'd have people murdering each other freely inside a month.
The best Pegasus approach is either:
a) A battlestar that was nowhere near the colonies at the time of the attack. Perhaps one returning from patrolling the frontier who stopped off at Picon Fleet HQ's request to check out the armistice station. The hear about the attack, send raptors into scout, learn about the Cylon's weapon and see how they're destroying the fleet with ease and are unable to make the rendevous at Ragnar for some reason (I can think of several), etc.
b) An ancient battlestar reported as MIA during the cylon wars that was hit with some kind of viral weapon that killed the crew, but left the ship mostly intact.
c) As somebody else has proposed somewhere, the Galactica discovers an ancient Cylon base ship full of toasters from the cylon war. Either given garrison duty and forgotten about, or FTL/Communications totally destroyed so they've been hanging out in a system awaiting rescue for 40 years. Cylons don't want to resuce them because around the same time they started researching biological infiltrator cylons and they don't want to risk their own contamination, or something.
Or maybe you combine b and c. Now that would be fun!
As far as who should play a "Cain" character. As far as I'm concerned the only person worth discussing is Michael Ironside.
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Post by 1987SilverOak on Mar 30, 2005 1:07:32 GMT -5
So may good ideas for the Pegasus. I have no doubt Ron Moore will do something with the Pegasus in S2, he knows just how popular it is with all the TOS fans.
1987SilverOak
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Post by siouxsmn on Mar 30, 2005 17:13:27 GMT -5
b) An ancient battlestar reported as MIA during the cylon wars that was hit with some kind of viral weapon that killed the crew, but left the ship mostly intact. I like this idea of your's Soulmage. We know that in Season 2 RDM is going to have to address the lessening numbers of Vipers and Raptors, not to mention that the Galactica itself must be having some mechanical problems. I was thinking along the lines of the fleet coming across this derelect battlestar that is the version that the Galactica replaced. Its old enough that they know they can't put people on it, but "young" enough that they find some Mark II Vipers aboard and are able to replenish their stock. Instead of finding a crew onboard, they find evidence of how the crew died. A twist on this would be that the virus that killed the crew did not completely die off and some of the equipment brought back to BSG has lingering traces of the infection. But the colonists have long ago adapted to the new strain....but the human toasters haven't!!! Might be an interesting way to discover who the missing 8 human cylons are. |
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Post by Jeffrey123 on Apr 4, 2005 8:40:12 GMT -5
Bring back the Pegasus, but as a better Battlestar than the Galactica ! Otherwise you would be hard pressed to explain how it survived at all !
And the Commander Cain character should be very close to the original one . But ofcourse he should not look anything like Lloyd Bridges . And don't make him female, this series, as a matter of fact, all Sci-Fi entertainment already has to many Feminazi's ,
and way to many Canadians, who are naturals at playing villains . .
Waite, change that - - Michael Ironside as Commander Cain . He played the Captain of the SeaQuest in its
second season( the better season of that series) . . This is the premise: The Pegasus was in Deep Space at the time of the attack on the Colonies . This would have given Cain time to figure out how the Cylons sabotaged their defences . That and the Pegasus is nearly as old as the Galatica, commisioned at the very end of the first Cylon War - so they had older Vipers that were immune to the Computer Virus .
Finally, the Pegasus had a skeleton crew aboard, so that minamalized the chances of Cylon infiltrators !
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Post by murgen on Apr 4, 2005 9:53:05 GMT -5
There is another possibility, one that makes for some interesting drama:
The first human / clyon war raged for some time, but then there was peace. But we also know (from the Zarek story arc) that humanity did not peacefully exist with itself. Where there are terrorists, there are arms dealers. And where there are arms dealers, there are smugglers and customs officials.
So, how about a pirate story arc?
Over the last 30 years, a charismatic pirate leader has built a small fleet - a water/hydroponics ship, a few freighters, a bunch of raptors and vipers, and a semi-functional Pegasus - once believed destroyed. Because they have older equipment and was in hiding from the Colonial Naval fleet at the time of the cylon attack, they avoided detection, but met up with the fleet now (a cylon agent maybe, steering them together?)
Adama would want the pirates killed because they are pirates,
but they have two things he needs - pilots(and ships), and a steady water supply.
The pirate commander would not want to join, but could he continue to survive as a parasite now that the host body (civilization) is dead?
Would Zarek see them as allies- fellows who fought the system, or rivals? Maybe his terror cell bought equipment from them at one time.
The possibilities are endless.
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Post by grimlock1 on Apr 5, 2005 8:15:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure what I really want in terms of a new story vs a re-imagining of the original episode. There have been some really got ideas mentioned here.
All I know is that Galactica has never gone all out in a fight. At Ragnar, Galactica was acting as a shield for the civilian ships. In 33, she was once again playing a similar role. I would like to see a Battlestar leave it all out on the field and fight like there's no tomorrow because unless they win this fight, there won't be.
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