Re-watching the MINI

[Helo]

I've watched the mini over and over and over and....... ever since I got it on DVD

[Blade Runner]

I watched it again last night as well as "33" and "Water" and I've just watched "Flesh and Bone" again

[peshwari]

can't see a mouth either

[caseOrange]

Spassvogel said:

So does that mean that *that* particular Boomer is in command somehow?

i was thinking the same thing but my friend who got me into the mini keeps brushing it aside. i'm glad to see someone else has posed that question besides me.

[Alan]

caseOrange said:

i was thinking the same thing but my friend who got me into the mini keeps brushing it aside. i'm glad to see someone else has posed that question besides me.

Let's also consider that Ragnar-Boomer might have been in command of that particular task force. The phrase "by your command" was not reserved for the Imperious Leader back in TOS, but was used to local area commanders as well. It really just means "yes, sir".

The episode "Flesh and Bone" made it clear that Caprica-Boomer is not in command of the group on Caprica; she was being given direct orders by Six and Doral.

[caseOrange]

i was thinking more like Sharon was the leader of the biological Cylons, but since the series has moved on, that's obviously not the case. i tend to think now that the Cylons in general are being led by some kind of collective consciousness network.

[Chalcedony]

caseOrange said:

i was thinking more like Sharon was the leader of the biological Cylons, but since the series has moved on, that's obviously not the case. i tend to think now that the Cylons in general are being led by some kind of collective consciousness network.

I think that's true, insofar as that networked consciousness is what they consider to be God, per this exchange of Leoben and Starbuck in Flesh and Bone:

LEOBEN: "I am more than you could ever imagine. I am God."

STARBUCK: "I'm sorry, you're God? *laughs* "Wow, nice to meet you! That's good, that's good, we'll give you a couple minutes for that."

LEOBEN: "It's funny, isnt' it? We're all God, Starbuck, all of us. I see the love that binds all living things together."

Acknowledging the divinity in everyone and everything is a kind of pantheism (which basically means "god in everything"). Pantheism was one of the big Christian heresies in the middle ages, because it opened the door for other antinomian heresies and behaviors (because the heretic is "one" with the mind of God, everything they choose to do must be OK with God - one of the most well known of these was the Heresy of the Free Spirit, and I bet you can guess why!). The idea that God is in everyone and everything is a pretty widespread notion in modern popular notion with a lot of New Age people, Californians, and interdenominationalists, probably because of the debt that the New Age movement owes to Hinduism, in which the standard greeting of one person to another is "Namaste," or "I recognize the divine in you." It's plausible to think that well-educated California scriptwriters could pull some of these rabbits out of the creativity hat.

Anyway, all of this is just leading up to this claim: when they say "By Your Command" I think it's really just their way of saying "AMEN."

Betcha 10 bucks.

xo
S.

[Blade Runner]

This quote from Delenn Babylon 5 best describes my thoughts on the matter

I believe the universe itself is conscious in a way we can never truly understand, it is engaged in the search for meaning, so it breaks itself apart investing its own consciousness in every form of life, we are the universe trying to understand itself.

[Chalcedony]

Blade said:

This quote from Delenn Babylon 5 best describes my thoughts on the matter

I think that's lovely. Who was the writer on the episode you're citing?

xo
S.

HINT: Carl Sagan. At least the "we are the universe trying to understand itself" part.

[Blade Runner]

Chalcedony said:

I think that's lovely. Who was the writer on the episode you're citing?

xo
S.

It's Written by J. Michael Straczynski

But if you want more info on the episode then you can look through here

www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/048.html

[Chalcedony]

Blade said:

It's Written by J. Michael Straczynski

But if you want more info on the episode then you can look through here

www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/048.html

Cool! Thanks! I'm not trying to be a wonk or anything, but since that's such a neat locution I think it's cool to give credit to the writers, Carl Sagan and Straczynski, and secondary credit to the character on Babylon 5.

[Chalcedony]

P.S.: I just did an IMDB search on him, did you see Jeremiah or Crusade? They were both showing during times when I was out of the country and/or buried in work, I totally missed them. Any good?

[Blade Runner]

I still enjoy watching Crusade although it really did'nt have anytime to get going. I just can't get into Jeremiah, I dont like the lead Bloke, mind you I might watch the first 2 eps seeing as our Tricia is in it.

[Alan]

I was a huge Babylon 5 fan and also very impressed with its creator (JMS), but in my humble opinion Crusade deserved to be cancelled. The opening credit sequence alone - full of pseudo-medieval stuff - is enough to demonstrate that JMS was trying to go the wrong direction. The techno-mage might as well have been named "Merlin", and the starship itself actually was named "Excalibur". The plots were mediocre at best, the characters weren't particularly engaging, and the overall story arc was a bit silly. Of the cast, Daniel Dae Kim and David Brooks were both pretty good but Peter Woodward did some damage and... c'mon, GARY COLE as the captain? He's not a bad actor generally, but he just doesn't project much command presence.

I was very enthusiastic for the first episode, and strongly biased in favor of anything spun off from B5, but the show was quite disappointing IMHO. Not half as good as the original.

[Wylden]

Spassvogel said:

One more thing I noticed. They talk about cremating Leoben Conoy in that scene with Tigh, Adama, and Baltar (right after the reunion of Lee and his father)

But Leoben's corpse popped up in the 8th EP.

Spass

If you pay close attention to the wording you realize that it is the tissue sample they cremate. It took me having to translate for another into English to realize that this was a technicality in the language.