A Hole in the New Series and Little Things

[viper1212]

OK, Guys, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, especially being that this is my first post and that I've never anticipated a new show more than I have this one, but...
I think I've found a hole...
In the miniseries, Number Six alludes to the fact that Gaius Baltar has "been having sex with a Cylon for almost two years." If that's true, then why don't we EVER hear Baltar addressing his partner, who he believes is human, by any NAME? I mean, wouldn't he call her SOMETHING? Especially when she's telling him she's a Cylon, wouldn't you expect him to say: That can't be true, your name is ... you were born on ... you live in ...
Also...Adama refers to Col. Tigh at one point as "Saul," when on the show, his name is "Paul."
As for the new show...I'm dying to know a few things, from viewing the high res stills: 1)what the hell is that disembodied arm holding the arrow and what is Starbuck wanting to do with it? 2)Is it Satrbuck that gets killed by it? 3)Does Number Six somehow kill Starbuck, then masquerade as her to fool the fleet? 4)Will Adama survive Cylon-Boomer shooting him? 5)Did somehow Cylon-Boomer and Sharon-Boomer end up trading places? Is it really Sharon-Boomer on occupied Caprica and Cylon-Boomer on the Galactica?
And, the big one...Will we EVER find out who it was that Number Six was talking to on Caprica before the nuclear holocaust, when she says: "It's about time. I was wondering when you'd get here."
And finally: Does anyone else find it the least bit disappointing that Colonial culture seems to be a very homogenous, futursistic Western one? Bravo for the ethnic diversity, but why do they all speak the same language and have the same religion? (on TOS, at least they had people speaking Gemense, the Borellian Nomen, etc.). And I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed that apparently, these humans drink coffee, eat chicken pie, use the same clocks to tell time, have the same military jargon and rituals and even have boxing as a sport. With all these similarities, doesn't it make the premise of this group originally being from Kobol and searching for Earth implausible?
Someone help me out here!

[Spassvogel]

If you think about it, we only saw about what, 10 minutes of interaction with Baltar and Six? I think it's been several years since I called my wife by her first name. You just don't do it after a while.

All the other interactions have been with Shelley Godfrey and of course, baltar's-head-six. (or whatever she is)

As for the Saul/Paul thing. Are you familiar with the story of the Biblical Paul?

Spass

[viper1212]

Hey, Spass.
Please enlighten me - and everyone else who may be unfamiliar with it - about the the Biblical Saul/Paul thing.

[UlricK]

I'll say this without any sarcasm. Paul or Tarsus was the main hunter of christians until his conversion, at that point he changed his name to Paul. Hence Saul = Paul, in a christian way.

[Sci-Fi]

In "Six Degrees of Separation", Baltar calls Six, "Sarah".
;D

To address your other comments, The other races in TOS are only mentioned in the 1st few episodes and had just as much/little screen time as TNS. If you watch TNS, many different races are serving aboard the Galactica and elsewhere in the fleet and is mentioned by the characters in dialog. In TOS, the impression was that each colony staffed their own battlestar with their own people/tribe. When the Fleet found Kobol, Adama went to "their" temple/pyramid. Even with TOS Baltar, nobody ever knew which colony he belonged to (although in the books it was heavily suggested that he was a Gemon since he ordered Cain to take the 5th fleet to Molecay).

As far as religion, since the Colonials refer to the "Lords of Kobol", what other religion(s) should be shown??? Or are you asking which "God(s) each colony or individual prefers to pray to? TOS pretty much gave up the mulitple religions/gods concept after the "Planet of the Gods". If you watch the later episodes in TOS, it seemed the Colonial religion morphed into a single God with angels/devils to guide and/or corrupt the Colonials. The only mention of different tribes, religions, or gods are only in the opening narration of each episode. TOS gave strong indications that they, at least the Capricans, believed in Egyptian Gods (helmets, pyramid buildings both on Caprica and Kobol, although they dressed in Greek and/or Roman style), but none of the Gods were named or seen worshiped/prayed to. TOS could have been more interesting if they showed different crew members/the council not only representing each colony but having or worshipping different Gods (Inca, Aztec, Greek, Egyptian, Roman, etc) and the internal conflicts from those beliefs. The "Lords of Kobol", the sacred scrolls, etc. could have been explained as a unifying set of religious rules, agreed upon by the Gods, the Lords of Kobol, or religious, the military, and political leaders. What about the Borellian Nomen? They were in 2-3 TOS episodes, what was their religion or even their tribe, other than having "The Code" and that they were warlike (Klingons?)? Anybody remember any TOS character praying to any God, other than saying "by the Lords of Kobol"? TOS started with a strong concept, but strayed far from it due to various problems and pressures to film episodes.

How many "filler" episodes did they film with the basic premise of a viper pilot being shot down or marooned on some conveniently habitable nearby planet with humans living there (and had no idea who the Colonials were) and then trying to escape/find/rescue them? Remember, TOS never showed that they had FTL capabilities, only something the Galactica had/called "light speed", which they rarely used. So scientifically speaking, they should still be in the same solar system or maybe there happens to be a series of clustered solar systems in near collision really, really closeby, even if they could travel at or near the speed of light. Only in Hatch's later books was it mentioned they had/obtained FTL capabilities.

I found it interesting that the TNS "Starbuck", is the most religious Colonial person so far (although in secret), and is shown praying to 2 "named" Greek Gods.
;D

[Alan]

Sci-Fi said:

Remember, TOS never showed that they had FTL capabilities, only something the Galactica had/called "light speed", which they rarely used. So scientifically speaking, they should still be in the same solar system or maybe there happens to be a series of clustered solar systems

That's not entirely correct. TOS characters spoke frequently of traveling from between galaxies, which obviously would have required FTL travel.

[Sci-Fi]

Alan said:

That's not entirely correct. TOS characters spoke frequently of traveling from between galaxies, which obviously would have required FTL travel.

While the characters talk about deep exploration or traveling between galaxies (solar systems), the fact remains that only "light speed" is ever mentioned in TOS. Now logically, many fans have argued over the years that they must have FTL to make any journey to other solar systems viable, but there is no real canon for FTL in TOS. IF anybody can point to an episode or quote dialog from TOS about FTL, I am more than willing to change/correct my viewpoint.

[mjm800]

Sci-Fi said:

While the characters talk about deep exploration or traveling between galaxies (solar systems), the fact remains that only "light speed" is ever mentioned in TOS. Now logically, many fans have argued over the years that they must have FTL to make any journey to other solar systems viable, but there is no real canon for FTL in TOS. IF anybody can point to an episode or quote dialog from TOS about FTL, I am more than willing to change/correct my viewpoint.

I think that you are correct on both accounts.

1) FTL was never mentioned in TOS.

2) It is assumed that they must have had it to realistically travel from planet to planet week after week.