ernestborg9
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Post by ernestborg9 on Dec 9, 2004 17:54:13 GMT -5
Following-on from "Flesh and Bone", I've been sneak-peeking the Gateworld stills.
There are a number of interesting points.
- In "The Hand of God", not only do the Colonials launch "a daring attack on a Cylon Base" - they also appear to achieve a significant victory. BUT: is the title an indication of divine intervention? And if so, why "God" singular, as that would appear to indicate intervention on the part of the Cylon's "God"?
Could it be that the "victory" is in fact pre-arranged - or to use Conoy's idea - preordained? The next step to moving the Colonials towards the discovery of Kobol?
Because, in "Colonial Day", the Colonials have made planetfall - and potentially in large numbers (so they must feel safe).
Could this planetfall in fact be Kobol - but they have not realised that fact as yet?
In fulfilment of Conoy's promise to Kara Thrace, could it be that the discovery that they are on Kobol does not come about until "Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 1"; that they are still on the same planet as featured in "Colonial Day" but the truth is only uncovered by Kara Thrace. (Conoy, "Flesh and Bone": "You will find Kobol....this is my gift to you Kara" [my emphasis]).
And where exactly did the Cylons go after the first rebellion? They found a "planet of their own". Could that planet be.....Kobol....?
Remember Conoy's words in "Flesh and Bone": "Kobol, birthplace of us all." [again, my emphasis]
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Post by Socialator_69 on Dec 9, 2004 23:54:45 GMT -5
"The Hand of God" was the title of an original series episode in which the colonial forces launched a sneak attack on a Cylon base. This ep seems to have heavily inspired this new series ep.
The spoiler pics from "Colonial Day" may not be of a planet. There is at least one big ship in the fleet - The Intersun Liner - which has large mock-outdoor garden areas.
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ernestborg9
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Post by ernestborg9 on Dec 10, 2004 6:18:00 GMT -5
"The Hand of God" was the title of an original series episode in which the colonial forces launched a sneak attack on a Cylon base. This ep seems to have heavily inspired this new series ep. The spoiler pics from "Colonial Day" may not be of a planet. There is at least one big ship in the fleet - The Intersun Liner - which has large mock-outdoor garden areas. Don't dispute it - but take a look at the pics. The outdoor scenes give the appearance of Thrace and Lee Adama playing outside a large building.... |
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Post by Socialator_69 on Dec 10, 2004 23:39:59 GMT -5
No doubt because that's where it was filmed. ;-)
It doesn't make much sense that they'd discover an earthlike planet, and set down there to have their vice presidential election for the episode.
The action is almost certainly taking place on the liner, which is apparently designed to give the impression of outdoor, terrestrial living.
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Post by ernestborg9 on Dec 11, 2004 19:30:17 GMT -5
But - to a degree - the need to make the interior of an FTL-capable ship does not fit the established background to Colonial space travel.
At the very most, the 12 Colonies are split arcoss a triary star system.While the distances involved may take several FTL jumps to cross, it hardly warrantz such time in deep space that vessels need to be built that mimic planetary surface conditions.
Ergo, if a vessel is constructed with environs to mimic that of the surfrace of a planet then either:
a) the distances covered by an FTL "jump" are far less than those so far considered or,
b) The vessel in question is potentially sublight (and therefore has no place in the fleet).
At the end of the day, the Colonials {i]are[/i] seeking a new planetary home. As such, if the Cylons opted to give them the impression of "victory", who is to say they wouldn't make planetfall if the conditions appeared to favour them.
There are interesting lead-ins given in "Flesh and Blood" regarding Kobol, and the images from "Colonial Day", plus the 2 parts of "Kobol's Last Gleaming" are highly evocative given the comments passed by Conoy.
Am I right? Well, the next few weeks will tell - but part of the fun of BSG is making speculative observations.
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Post by Alan on Dec 11, 2004 19:37:39 GMT -5
At the very most, the 12 Colonies are split arcoss a triary star system. Actually I was rather assuming that the twelve colonies were split across several star systems. Certainly Caprica and Virgon are in the same system (because they say so in the miniseries) but no location is given for any of the other colony worlds. Having twelve habitable bodies in the same solar system seems pretty unlikely. Did I miss something in the mini or first season that leads you to conclude the colonies are all in the same solar system? |
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Post by Blade Runner on Dec 11, 2004 19:41:21 GMT -5
When they are leaving Ragnar Adama says something like, 'We have to get the fleet out of the Solar System', I presume going betond the red line is the boundary of their system
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Post by Alan on Dec 11, 2004 20:24:01 GMT -5
When they are leaving Ragnar Adama says something like, 'We have to get the fleet out of the Solar System' Adama says "we're gonna leave this solar system, and we're not gonna come back," however that doesn't necessarily mean that all the colonies are in the same system. The exact meaning of the "red line" isn't discussed on film, but in the draft miniseries script Tigh explains that the "red line" is a navigational term related to jump distance. Beyond a certain distance, you start losing precision in your jump coordinates, so that direct jumps back to your starting position get difficult. This explanation was (wisely) cut from the broadcast version. Personally I like the fact that the show doesn't explain every single thing to the viewers. In the real world, people use terms without explaining them. We're smart enough to figure out what Starbuck's little sensor does in "Can't Go Home" without a voiceover. Likewise, it rings a little false if Tigh starts telling everybody what the "red line" is, since they would all presumably know it already. |
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Post by Chalcedony on Dec 11, 2004 20:43:48 GMT -5
No doubt because that's where it was filmed. ;-) It doesn't make much sense that they'd discover an earthlike planet, and set down there to have their vice presidential election for the episode. The action is almost certainly taking place on the liner, which is apparently designed to give the impression of outdoor, terrestrial living. I have to disagree with sociolator_69 that the outdoor scene is necessarily on a Colonial ship. That's just too far out. But I guess we only have to wait another 48 hours before you'll owe us all a beer if we're betting on it. S. P.S. Do all sociolators advertise their specialties? Is there a Sociolator_BJ and a Sociolator_SM and so on?  |
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Post by Chalcedony on Dec 11, 2004 20:47:35 GMT -5
The exact meaning of the "red line" isn't discussed on film, but in the draft miniseries script Tigh explains that the "red line" is a navigational term related to jump distance. Beyond a certain distance, you start losing precision in your jump coordinates, so that direct jumps back to your starting position get difficult. This explanation was (wisely) cut from the broadcast version. How did you get your hands on a draft of the miniseries script? Enquiring minds are dying to know. Full agreement on that - it's part of what makes this show so much fun, and what gives it such a fast pace and realistic feel - nobody is stopping their business to nonchalantly explain things that would be self-evident to everyone else for the sake of the viewer. xo S. |
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Post by Alan on Dec 11, 2004 22:03:06 GMT -5
How did you get your hands on a draft of the miniseries script? Enquiring minds are dying to know. Here are the scripts for both the miniseries and the TOS pilot. These aren't the final broadcast scripts; both were modified before filming began. |
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Post by Socialator_69 on Dec 11, 2004 22:38:11 GMT -5
In our own day and age, people don't only hop on planes to get from point A to point B as fast as possible. Many people also often travel by luxury cruise ship, just for the experience; a holiday. They stay on board for weeks or months for a slow sight seeing tour. A cruise ship isn't just designed to be a purely 'functional' transport. It offers a lifestyle. Look at this detail of the Intersun liner - a huge part of the ship is given over to outdoor garden areas: www.galactica2003.net/cgi-bin/view.cgi?/Images/ringship_14_aft.jpg |
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Post by ernestborg9 on Dec 12, 2004 14:01:35 GMT -5
Actually I was rather assuming that the twelve colonies were split across several star systems. Certainly Caprica and Virgon are in the same system (because they say so in the miniseries) but no location is given for any of the other colony worlds. Having twelve habitable bodies in the same solar system seems pretty unlikely. Did I miss something in the mini or first season that leads you to conclude the colonies are all in the same solar system? Bsckstory notes published on galacticatv from what appears to be a reasonably reliable source (i.e. the same source as supplied the Zoic images of the Galactica) state that the 12 colonies are in the "Cyrannus system" - which was highly suggestive that the 12 colonies were in a single solar system. It also appears that the 12 colonies are planets or planetoids (large moons), supported by smaller specialised colonies (e.g. Troy). It is highly unlikely that 12 earth-type planets exist in a single star system. It's also unlikely the Colonials pocess major terraforming capabilities. Ergo, taking the background information that the colonies are indeed in the "Cyrannus System", then the logical conclusion is that "Cyrannus" is potentially a binary or trinary system in the mode of Alpha Centauri. Such a system would be consistent with the need for a range of FTL vessels (short-range intra-solar "hoppers" for jumping between planets orbiting the same star and longer-range interstellar liners capable of jumping between the various stars in a binary / trinary). |
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Post by Blade Runner on Dec 13, 2004 16:52:54 GMT -5
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Quote from the Radio Times
And those of you getting restless waiting for a decent space-battle episode, fear not. It's coming soon - after a break for Christmas!
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Post by CrimsonCrystal on Dec 13, 2004 22:15:11 GMT -5
Did anyone notice this photo of starbuck? www.gateworld.net/galactica/s1/graphics/113_19.shtmlShe's injecting herself. Now either she needs painkillers or she is giving herself medication to prevent the effects of radiation poisoning. Kobol is radioactive "hot" from the event that led to the colonizing of the colonies? Could be other reasons. Just wondering... And finally, my last whacky thought of the night. Are the 12 cylon models the greek pantheon gods themselves turn monotheist? What if they are the lords of kobol? Agh...just a silly thought. *slap* *slap* |
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